AS LEBANON BURNS ( WHERE THE F..K IS MR BLAIR )

[harry hackedoff]

I`ve been singing that song for about five years Jos. They are incredible. Such arrogance
Bush can`t help himself here because of the Jewish lobby in the States.
He should show some leadership and get the Israelis to wind their necks in. I meant what I said about sanctions, what`s different about the invasion of Lebanon and Sadman`s Gulf tours?
(Don`t ask silly questions Aitch )

[Marina]

Right now, I am seething, so is the whole clan. I can't really say what we are feeling right now as I will get in trouble with the mods for unsportmans like behaviour. Also I don't want to offend our kind American friends on this forum as its not heir fault they are from that country.

Tony Blair should be man enough to stand up to George Bush and say enough is enough.

Israel maybe have won the battle for now but its not won the war.
USA and Israel have now ensured that next 5 generations of Hezbollah, Hamas and Al -Qaeda will continue.

George Bush has further damaged his country's image in the world, which is now spoken with absolute revulsion.
I hope George Bush ends up like Macbeth and Israel gets it comeuppence !
P.S
I am trying resist my Zidane like tendancies at the moment.

Over & out for now

[Artist]

Marina

As long as B'liars got his nose firmly stuck up that Eijut Bushes arse the more the troubles are going to escalate. The man and I use the term man very loosely indeed seems to think that whatever he does in the name of our Country will increase his persona as a major statesman within the World.

To me he is a loose cannon, well beyond the control of Parliament and his party at this time. I just hope and pray that come the Labour Party's Autumn conference that the Labour party get their act together and let him know in no uncertain terms that he is not wanted by either his Party or our country.Get thee to a Monastery! Ok, not quite the same speech as the one in Macbeth but bloody close.

I never had a lot of time for Mr Tony Benn back in the Seventies but after watching him on the TV the other day saying as he always does just what he thinks of B'liar and his cronies attitude towards Iraq and Afganistan I now realise that maybe just maybe he is a totally honest man without the need to compromise his honesty in order to keep himself in power.

Artist

[Marina]

Maybe I should leave this thread and go to a lighter one for a while

The problem is, one can't get away from the news and everyone talks about it.

When Tony Blair became PM in 1997, I had such high hopes, enthusiasm and positive vibes that 'things can only get better in Britain. He was so cool then. Now... I just can't see Tony Blair in a positive light in his foreign policy.
It doesn't make any difference who is PM in Britain conservative or labour because, the PM always supports the US anyway.

[Artist]

Harold Wilson didn't support the USA in Vietnam during the Sixties.

He may have been a pain in the backside concerning other matters but he knew damn well that the Yanks were on a hiding to nothing and kept our country well away from that fiasco.

B'liar however seems to think that what he says and does matters to the rest of the world. He sends British troops to places all over the globe regardless of how small our Armed Forces are compared to what they were even ten years ago.

The result? Our lads and lasses die and their families suffer. And all because of B'liars believe that he's a WORLD LEADER people respect and like. My Arse is he!

He's a self important Stupid little man with delusions of grandour well beyond his actual persona.

Artist

[Falkens]

When Tony Blair became PM in 1997, I had such high hopes, enthusiasm and positive vibes that 'things can only get better in Britain. He was so cool then. Now... I just can't see Tony Blair in a positive light in his foreign policy.
It doesn't make any difference who is PM in Britain conservative or labour because, the PM always supports the US anyway.

Without sounding patronising Marina. Welcome to the real world, I believe at some time, regardless of who will be PM, everybody will always change there mind to whether they like him or not.
Depends what there slice of bread is.
Was going to right a comment on the Lebanon issue. Most people have wrote some interesting posts, still too many fluffy lefties who believe it will disappear overnight??!!

[Marina]

Thats what my dad keeps reminding of. However, I am always going to support issues that I believe in.
P.S
Artist, you got me on the curiosity trail again about Harold Wilson mysterious resignation, will mention it in another thread[/quote]

[harry hackedoff]

He was shagging Miz Falkender or whatever her name was and Missus Wilson went ballistic according to Artist Right harry sad on, she had

The world dithers while a country is ruined by the Israelis. Again.
The news footage we get down here is mostly Beeb or CNN. Have you seen the tosser embeded with the tankys? Talking bollocks from inside a Merkeva, he deffo isn`t the next Martin Bell
What bothers me about the coverage(from the Beeb especially) is how they are simply not impartial. The whole tone implys that what`s going on is just fine.
Well to me it isn`t just fine. Dealing with terrorists or terrorist organisations in legal and just ways with proportionate force is one thing. Invading the Pallestinian state such as it is, or Lebanon, is summat all together different.

You rant as much as you want Marina
Did you say "Hi" to mumsy for me, btw

[terryrat]

Well if they do manage to set up a Un force will moscow send anyone in there At the start of the campaign Hezo had an estimated 13000 missiles Most of these missiles are relatively crude Soviet-designed Katyushas with a range of 25km. The rest being the Iranian-made Zelzal-2 with a range of 200km and a huge warhead of 400-600kg.Hezbollah is also believed to have a smaller number of longer range Fajr-5 missiles with a range of up to 75km, long. That means the Iranians will keep on sending weapons over so whats wrong with the yanks helping the Israelis

[terryrat]

Latest news Blairs on his hols with WW and Big Bad Prezza is making his way to the situation with his croquet hammers buye eck now yer better keep yer ead down

[Marina]

Compared to the large sophisticated arsenal the Israelies have, Hezbollah have relatively small amount, so why shouldn't the Iranians help them.
Israel says it wants to eradicate terrorism from its border, then it should'nt behave like the terrorists themselves.

When The IRA were bombing the UK, the British govt didn't start air strikes against Dublin or totally bomb and displace people the the Republic of Ireland ?

[jos]

Bit slow in replying as I'm out of the office and away from the PC most of the time.

I see what the Israelis are doing now in occupying, after destroying the towns and villages of Southern Lebanon, is ethnic cleansing but our western controlled media doesn't report it as such...

Same tactics as the Nazis WWII and the Yugoslavian Government used 1990-95


That was condemed by EU and US government as a war crime.
A little bit silent now on the subject aren't they?

[harry hackedoff]

Said it before mate, none of the Israelis will end up in the Hague on charges relating to what`s actually happening.
It`s fcuked up. These people have rights.
Cease fire, now, get out of their country now.
It`ll never happen

[sneaky beaky]

Harry and Marina,
You are obviously very both pro Palestinian/Lebanese sympathisors.
Hasn't the Israeli state got a right to exist? Why is the lobbing of Hezbollah missiles against Israeli towns, not protested against? And why should they be criticised for defending themselves?
Yes, the current action is over the top, but they are fighting for their lives.!!
Sneaky

[Marina]

Sneaky Beaky,

I am just speaking from the other side of the line of conflict. I have lived in the Middle East, some of my neighbours were Palestinian and Lebanese. I went to school with some of their kids. The injustice and inhumane treatment some of their relatives had to endure living in the West Bank and Southern Lebanon by Israeli Armed Forces is disgraceful and not any worse the way the Nazis treated the jews. As one prominent Palestinian said ‘ we are the jews of the jews’

I have NEVER said that Israel should not exist, it does have a right to exist as a nation. As I said before, It does not have the right to de-humanise a people and illegally occupy their land.
Despite what is reported on the news, Israel is destroying the whole Lebanese infrastructure to prevent supplies to Hezbollah is just a military tactic to demoralise civilians. Targeting everything from UN posts, schools and hospitals is absolutely repulsive.

Its not just about the kidnapping of 2 Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah, this conflict goes much deeper than that. Hezbollah want 700 of their Lebanese nationals who are in Israeli jails without trial released and their land back occupied by Israel.
Palestinians have been denied their land for the past 50 years which they had been living there for the past 2 centuries ! Palestinians are fighting for their dignity and self determination in their own land. What do you expect them to do be a bunch of hippies protesting with flowers in their hair in the middle of the high street ? They struggling with what means they have. So be it.

Israel thinks its should be beyond criticism why ? Its breaks every UN law there is and refuses to ceasefire and until its operations are complete.

Remember in 1946 , the King David hotel, the HQ for the British Military command, 91 people died in that bomb blast planted by Irgun. Is this a terrorist act ? Or an act for fighting for freedom to become a nation ?

As the saying goes ‘one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter’

I am not expecting people to agree with what I say and vice versa. I think some people don't understand that actual operations in the middle east are not bring about peace, but creating further unrest and death amongst innocent civilians.

Just a question, if the Palestinians were given their state say 7/8 years ago, would 9/11 have happened ?

Would like to know what your views on this