UK to replace Trident

[K9dug]

to clarify my position, I do not belive the UK needs a nuclear deterrent, its usefullness has gone there is no USSR anymore.

We will never (can't) fight a war without the US again let them take the strain with the nukes.

we do however need guys on the ground, transport helicopters, attack helicopers and close air support planes, in short better uses for £20 BILLION pounds

[Tab]

k9dug......Whay about our troops in Iraq, if Iran lobs one there way it wont matter how many tanks or helicopters we have it wont do them them slightest good. May be you are suggesting that we should rely on Uncle Sam like we did 50 years ago in Suez. Lets face it they are still arguing if we should be allowed to service our own JSF when we get them or should they only be done by American personnel, and if that is a case and we have a conflict with another country and America does not approve we wont have any Aeroplanes to fight with

[K9dug]

Tab, Iran will not lob a nuke down Basra way they are bonkers but not that bonkers.

Do you honestly think that we will ever fight a war alone ever again?

Even in the Falklands we needed to borrow sidewinders (and God knows what else).

The only war which the US will not garuntee the UK a nuclear defence is a war between the UK and the US, and by then we could go low tech with suitcase bombs and white english speaking agents (i know that one sounds crazy but to me so does an Iranian nuclear strike in Iraq)

Its a different world now, boomers (i hope thats the right term) will go the way of the cavalry mans horse

[JoJo82]

to clarify my position, I do not belive the UK needs a nuclear deterrent, its usefullness has gone there is no USSR anymore.

We will never (can't) fight a war without the US again let them take the strain with the nukes.

we do however need guys on the ground, transport helicopters, attack helicopers and close air support planes, in short better uses for £20 BILLION pounds

Whilst countries like Russia still hjold Nukes, then the UK will still have them at bay. You do realise that the UK, many times a year, stop the Russians from proceeding past us and going into the Med sea or towards the USA.

[K9dug]

do you realise that this was 20 plus years ago?

The US would not let the UK be threatened

I fear you still consider the UK as a major world player

[Sonne]

do you realise that this was 20 plus years ago?

The US would not let the UK be threatened

I fear you still consider the UK as a major world player

The UK isn't a major world player? What did i miss?

Sonne

[K9dug]

The UK isn't a major world player? What did i miss?

Sonne[/quote]

the last 60 year by the looks of things!


It was on the telly

[Sonne]

Examples? That's a very inflammatory statement. Justify your point.

Not having a dig at you as i am genuinely interested and i think it could stimulate a fairly decent debate.

Sonne

[Frank S.]

The US would not let the UK be threatened

Oh?
Back in the '50s during Suez, it was easier to step on the UK's, France's and Israel's collective wieners than confront Boris marching into Hungary.... We didn't peep about that.

Don't hold your breath if push ever came to shove. It's a nice thought to have but it's also a dangerous one at that.

The UK needs to retain and maintain its nuclear arsenal.

[JoJo82]

The UK isn't a major world player? What did i miss?

Sonne

the last 60 year by the looks of things!


It was on the telly[/quote]

You ever heard you shouldn't believe everything you hear on the TV?

Believe me when I say they still hold athreat if they ever get past into the Med sea.

But if you want to say I am wrong, I am sure the RN wouldn't have wasted our time on certain ops

K9, don't jump to assumptions about something you know little about.

[K9dug]

its not inflamatory its fact, we were a superpower till world war one, we stumbled through to world war 2, that crippled us and lost us our empire.

We are now a major voice in Europe (an emerging superpower?) along with Germany and France (to other relegated powers).

Our influence is diminishing by the Decade, would Iran or N.Korea listen to us (never mind China or India) (< another power on the rise)

We are a link between the US and

[K9dug]

Jojo, i am very new to these boards but you have a very patronising posting manner.

[JoJo82]

Jojo, i am very new to these boards but you have a very patronising posting manner.

Erm, no I do not. Like you have said you are new, qouting TV is nothing, you may want to listen to the views of people who know the actual facts. For some one asking questions youseem to make your own assumptions and forget about the people who know what they are talking about.

[Tam527]

I liked this quote from the BBC's Have Your Say
Quote,
'I've got news for the tree hugging liberals out there. If we abandoned all our weapons tomorrow then the rest of the world isn't going to do the same in some kind of global love in.

National security demands an effective military presence and a strong nuclear deterrent is an integral part of that.'

K9Dug, I think that basically says it all. But I still agree with you that the Army needs more back-up.

Tam.

[K9dug]

Tam,First time i've been lumped in with the tree huggers!


Jojo, you seem to have made your own assumptions on this thread


I've started posting on these boards because i was told there was a low tolenrance for "walts" and the experience of posters. Having said that if we all need to have the same POV, it stiffles debate