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Its called freedom of expression mate
It doesnt change the good work Wooton Basset has done.
However if its a day when a repatration is one then it might casue some problems

Are they saying our lads have killed 100,000 terrorist.

Tab wrote:Are they saying our lads have killed 100,000 terrorist.

My God I hope so!!!!

this march is disgusting.

if they don't like it...why don't they return to THEIR OWN country.

I in no way condone their actions, however.. saying go back to their own country when they are the British born Muslims doing it..

They do seem to miss the point though. Soldiers are paid to do a job, and they do it well. They are not paid to choose where and who they do their job to. This march shouldn't be aimed at the grieving families or serving soldiers but at those who make the decisions.

If they had taken more time to think it through, and been a bit more thoughtful in how they expressed it, then they would have a more valid point and people would be more sympathetic of it. All that will come of this is an anti march at the same time or people disrupting what I hope they plan as a peaceful march. The police will be brought in and there will be huge media coverage of the "racist Britain we live in". Let them have their march, however I think they are targeting the wrong people to change things in their favor.

waynepe wrote:I in no way condone their actions, however.. saying go back to their own country when they are the British born Muslims doing it..

They do seem to miss the point though. Soldiers are paid to do a job, and they do it well. They are not paid to choose where and who they do their job to. This march shouldn't be aimed at the grieving families or serving soldiers but at those who make the decisions.

If they had taken more time to think it through, and been a bit more thoughtful in how they expressed it, then they would have a more valid point and people would be more sympathetic of it. All that will come of this is an anti march at the same time or people disrupting what I hope they plan as a peaceful march. The police will be brought in and there will be huge media coverage of the "racist Britain we live in". Let them have their march, however I think they are targeting the wrong people to change things in their favor.

Kinnel mate, did you actually read what was written?
You're entitle to your opinion but out of respect for the hero's that have laid down their lives to give you that freedom you want to choose your words more carefully.
I notice you're not even time served or serving.
Let me know how you feel when you have.
For someone who is planning a military career you seem to have an odd attitude or would you be one of those that refused to do your duty when called upon?

I think you missed my point entirely.

There march is not to prove that soldiers are doing wrong, it is to bring attention to the innocent victims of this war, who are not even fighting.

The way they are trying to do that is, and quite rightfully, seen as an attempt to undermine the heroic actions of our men and woman who lay down their lives for something they had to part in starting. I think if they moved the march to London outside parliament or the like they would get a much better reception and their cause would be heard and received far better. Doing it in such an emotional place as Wootton Bassett is asking for trouble and I doubt that is what the march is about. It shouldn't be used as a dig at those who have lost loved ones or those still serving but at those who make the decisions.

So you're telling me that by picking the one one place in this country to have their march is nothing to do with stirring it up and they have peaceful motives.
They have thought long and hard about where to have it and have chosen the one place that will attract media interest and public disgust.
And as some of them fighting out there come from this country anyway I don't think they're going to be too worried about upsetting families.

OR am I missing something??

herbie wrote:So you're telling me that by picking the one one place in this country to have their march is nothing to do with stirring it up and they have peaceful motives.
They have thought long and hard about where to have it and have chosen the one place that will attract media interest and public disgust.
And as some of them fighting out there come from this country anyway I don't think they're going to be too worried about upsetting families.

OR am I missing something??

Its totally about media attention and the plan is to stirr up trouble, By ignoring this and letting them have it would negate the Bad press that a anti march demo would bring!
Secondly rightly or wrongly they have a right to demonstrate anywhere aslong as they have put in the corrcet applications.

That is why I think they picked the wrong place and audience. If they had targeted those who make the decisions rather than those those deal with the consequences then I think their views would have been seen in a much better light. When I say I think they want a peaceful march I don't really think they have terrorist motives for it. Yes it was probably chosen for media coverage, I said that in my first post. They probably hope that people go to disrupt them just to strengthen their points.

I keep saying "they" and that's quite wrong actually, we are all human beings of earth no matter what we believe or who rules over us.

There march is not to prove that soldiers are doing wrong...


Thats EXACTLY they are trying to do- look at the way they have described us: 'held not in memory of the occupying and merciless British military, but rather the real war dead'.
Whilst any civilian death in any war zone (indeed any war itself) is sad & regrettable, these people always swing the subject to 'innocent Muslim suffering worldwide'- even using this to brainwash & recruit more to their 'cause'.

Islam4UK is a branch of the organisation, Al-Muhajiroun- who's leaders praised the September 11 attacks (the 'Magnificent 19' conference) & whose offshoots (the so-called 'Saviour Sect' & the 'Strangers') have been designated terrorist organisations & banned. Indeed, the 'Strangers' (Al-Ghurabaa) is linked to the 2006 Pan-Atlantic bombing plot.
Its leader, or spokesperson- Omar Bakri Muhummad (remember him?) became a sponsor of the International Islamic Front, an organisation that funded & trained British Muslims before sending them to Chechnya & the Balkans.
In the fertiliser-plot, uncovered in a huge operation by the security services, those arrested had Al-Muhajiroun connections. Other linked to the group HAVE carried out attacks, killing civilians...

Going off-subject for a moment, another case in point: The British National recently executed in China. HM Govt. strongly protested against the death penalty, China wasn't exactly going to listen & executed him.
Islam4UK has stated the Govt. didn't do all they could as the guy wasn't a white Englishman, but a British Muslim- basically letting him die. They are trying to use this as further evidence of the Wests' attitude toward Islam.

These are dangerous people & any claim this is a peaceful march is utter rubbish.

MSI64 wrote:

herbie wrote:So you're telling me that by picking the one one place in this country to have their march is nothing to do with stirring it up and they have peaceful motives.
They have thought long and hard about where to have it and have chosen the one place that will attract media interest and public disgust.
And as some of them fighting out there come from this country anyway I don't think they're going to be too worried about upsetting families.

OR am I missing something??

Its totally about media attention and the plan is to stirr up trouble, By ignoring this and letting them have it would negate the Bad press that a anti march demo would bring!
Secondly rightly or wrongly they have a right to demonstrate anywhere aslong as they have put in the corrcet applications.

which will never happen the old bill will rufuse there application on the grounds of public order, if we have killed a 100,00 muslims out there how many Muslims have AQ killed or the taliban or Sunnis/shite muslims or Iran/syria who supply arms training, me thinks its a large percentage of that hundred thousand, in fact the taliban were experts at doing there own ethnic cleansing

Maybe the police should give them licence to march how about between
0300 hrs and 0330hrs. Then it all over before anyone gets out of bed.
They would have maybe got a decent hearing on this one if they hadnt used their usual rhetoric.

Mr Choudray
If you want people to come round to your way of thinking and give you some sympathy then dont call them Barbaric.
Please and Thank you normally helps.
I have no probelm with people marching to raise awareness but look at this way.
Would it be ok if I march through a predominatly Muslim area with coffins, to raise awareness about the plight of British people killed by Islamic fanatics abroad???? I dont think so.

Of course the Taliban are total innocent of any murders or killings, to kill non believer is not a sin or even a crime in their eyes. So any deaths are all out own fault, and amongst there own people any one that does not comply with their edicts from the Taliban also should be killed for not following their faith as the the Taliban see's it. Rather like the Japanese in WW2 nothing was their fault it was every ones else's