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Brave or foolhardy comments? To me he's come public because Blair and his cronies just won't listen to common sense anymore

The way it's going at the moment the country will fall apart and the security risk to the region and us in the future.... Of course I am 100% behind our lads but surely the time is coming when we really need to decide when to call it a day and not blindly follow the yanks!

I dont envy the people who have to make the decision, either way they'll be criticised.

Half of me says they need leave asap because its going nowhere, damage limitation in effect. The other half of me says well, we made this bed so we need to lie on it until its comfy.

If we pull out, the problem is who takes over. It'd obviously be the Iraqi's but theres so much division of opinion that its a non starter - the authorities dont have the support, nor do they have the power to do anything about the lack of support/militants. It'd be absolute mayhem... however it already is mayhem.

Its tough... and im willing to bet big anthony bliar is wishing he was nothing to do with it. You can see how much strees he's under every time he makes a speech. I suppose if you live by the sword, you die by the sword

If the Iraqi police and soldiers have been trained enough to be able to control the country by them selfs then yes, I think they should come back to stop the gay people complaining about our soldiers going to war. But then if the soldiers arn't going to be helping anywhere else in the world they should get a little break and then sent to Iraq again.

Stinky wrote:If the Iraqi police and soldiers have been trained enough to be able to control the country by them selfs then yes, I think they should come back to stop the gay people complaining about our soldiers going to war. But then if the soldiers arn't going to be helping anywhere else in the world they should get a little break and then sent to Iraq again.

Stinky

I can't even react to the shite you come out with at times. At least take the time to read before you post. The General says;

""I am still a dad as well as being Chief of the General Staff. I wouldn't send an army where I wouldn't send my own child."

Does that not say something to you about the state of affairs, or would you rather we just sent soldier's coffins home?

Too fecking right!

Glad to see someone who still holds what is right in their heart actually speak out for a change.

Amen.

As most others have said it's a no win situation, I don't envy Blair at all for having to make the decision, but on the other hand he brought it on himself. At the end of the day it's his job to make these kinds of decisions and take the flak when he gets it wrong. Could I do any better? Would I have made the right choice? Almost definately not, that's why I'm not a politician.

If we pull out now £££millions wasted as well as the lives of all those brave men and women, job not even half done.
But on the other hand what do you do? Stay there for another 5, 10, 20 years? Who knows how long it will take, how many more lives it will cost and how many more millions it will cost the taxpayer?

Something that annoys me about the Iraq situation is when you hear about British or American troops killing 'innocent civilians' in crossfire, or in bombings etc etc. But the fact is if the civlians pulled together and didnt harbour the militans and actually helped our boys out, there wouldnt be any more civilian deaths. In a sense the civlians are making life harder for themselves, the longer they help or ignore the militant next door to them the more needless deaths will happen.

When they complain about our troops being there and get all up in arms about it, that fact is we're there for THEIR benefit (and im pretty sure that the average bootneck or squaddie doesn't wanna be puttin his balls on the chopping board from some ungrateful foreign twat who would rather point a gun at them rather then help) but they aslong as they can't manage themselves they'll always be a need for a foreign military presence.

I didn't mean it in a bad way and I don't want soldiers to die. But I didn't think about our soldiers not wanting to risk their lifes for the Iraqis.

If the Iraqi police and soldiers have been trained enough to be able to control the country by them selfs then yes

Stinky quote^

From what i have read it seems like there not, i read one article in the Mail saying "the Iraqi soldiers are cowards, the minute a gun fight bursts out they run away, these men are far from the warrior status they are renound for". (something along those lines, not sure word for word)