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France
Posted: Mon 21 Apr, 2003 2:17 am
by USARMY385
Hello my British friends,
I just wanted to post the following. I know that the British also helped liberate France but I do not have a video about it. So.. please dont take it as I am naive and don't know that you guys sacrificed as well BC U DID!! Anyway France should be ASHAMED!! Yes, they have the total right to disagree, but they did it wrongfully and now they are vowing to veto ANOTHER resolution asking for the lifting of sanctions. They are doing this because they want a piece of the reconstruction of Iraq. That should NOT happen. American and British blood was spilled NOT French, German, or Russian. Anyway, I am sorry I just had to vent...lol Thanks again guys!!
http://www.countryoforiginlabeling.com/french.html
Posted: Mon 21 Apr, 2003 2:33 am
by BenChug
Its all about money man.
Here in Canada, the Prime Ministers related to a man who owns a large part of some Iraqi oil company, thats gotta affect your judgement.
France, Germany and Russia have been selling stuff to Iraq illegally for years despite the sanctions. Thats alot of cash money.
Personally im pretty unimpressed with countries which did absolutely everything in there power to stop the war, then think that the USA is going to reward there behavior with contracts.
The bulk of them are going to go to Yanks, Aussies, Brits andthe countrys in the "coalition."
Posted: Mon 21 Apr, 2003 8:36 am
by soldierblue

bloody France And Germany are already asking for a slice of cake basterds Blare should tell the where to get off
Posted: Mon 21 Apr, 2003 11:04 am
by exvmremf
Apparently all the white flags were supplied by France!
Posted: Mon 21 Apr, 2003 8:09 pm
by nic k
what i dont understand about americans attitude to france is that in WW2 france got involved when we did but they were getting beaten so the south cut a deal and lived along side the nazis it took an attack on american home soil to get them involved so its not like they got involved when british troops were getting killed or when paris fell. However there were eagle squadrons in the RAF made up of yanks.
i realy should start using full stops and capital letters.
Posted: Sat 26 Apr, 2003 7:46 pm
by Tab
Yes but what happened to those brave men in the Eagle Squdrons who fought for Britain when we were struggling. Now there is a thing for America to try and forget.
Posted: Tue 29 Apr, 2003 7:21 am
by Guest
Having travelled through a good part of France last week, I didn't find any graffiti regarding the Iraq war, but in Italy something in the region of 25% of all houses had a banner draped from their balconies with the word PACE meaning PEACE and in one small town the UK flag and the US Flag were being flown upside down among the flags of all the other nations the right way up. One other thing I noticed, in particular, was at the very end of Verona airport runway was an Army truck positioned with a guy carrying an automatic rifle presumably to shoot on sight anyone with a SAM. Perhaps they want the best of both worlds..............
Posted: Tue 29 Apr, 2003 12:19 pm
by Sully
Benchug, I've yet to hear of any tendering process or of any contracts being awarded to anybody other than (i) US firms and (ii) US firms with close connections to Bush's billionaires club - for example the $7bn to Kellog Root and Brown. Too right it's all about money.
'France' may be a popular hate figure for the US press (I give US citizens a bit more credit and don't think they're as dim as it would appear from our media) but at least the French government was representative of the peoples wishes. And France and Russia weren't the only ones supplying Sadam - Reagan loved the fella as an answer to all his problems in the area...until...
Was this a liberation - how will uncle sam prevent Iran mk2? Or was it a war to make the world a safer place - lets hope Hamas haven't carted off the WMD that Sadam wouldn't give them and that Moslem people around the world also regard the civilian collateral damage as acceptable? Or was it a war of conquest on an isolated and easy target - who really gives a toss how the spoils are shared out (or not as the case may be)?
Answers on a postcard........
re sully
Posted: Tue 29 Apr, 2003 3:52 pm
by may18
Well i felt exactly the same way abot it as you sully
and im still sceptical about us or uk intentions there
But having seen what has been happening in iraq under hussein, surely the war must have given them a better chance now?
Of course those who have lost family in the war wont see it that way ;<
Posted: Tue 29 Apr, 2003 4:18 pm
by may18
on the topic of france
have anyone of you worked with french soldiers?.
How do they compare to uk soldiers? similar training?.
Also, ive been told Le Groupe de Commando Parachutistes of the french foreign legion are the @best in the world@.
Anyone here heard of them?
Posted: Tue 29 Apr, 2003 5:02 pm
by Sully
One thing that the US puppet Chalabi won't be doing
when he gets to power is introducing an extradition treaty with Switzerland - he stands to go down for a very long time for fraud. Still, maybe the only difference between him and his puppet masters is
[censored by the author]. I find it a bit strange that the Iraqi's won't be able to chose their next government - and that under no circumstances will there be an Islamic state (remind anyone of our moustachioed friend?)
May, I worked (cross training) with 9 DIMA French para commando's and they absolutely stank....reeked (trying not to get drawn in to racial stereotypes

). It's hard to make an assessment on what I saw but they seemed fit enough (although not on par with Royal) and were disciplined (again not on par with Royal). They were moved to our ship (Fearless) after there had been a couple of knife-fights between them and Legionaires on their own ship.
The Brit Legionaires I met (not 2 REP though - a cavalry unit) were generally a disaffected bunch and couldn't wait for the opportunity to desert. There's always a few ex-Legionaires in the Corps and I knew one well. His view on training was that bootneck training was physically harder but there was more violence used in the Legion.
There's been a bit of a discussion on the Legion before - have a search around and see if you can find Harry Hackedoffs visit to the Legion museum - worth a look

Posted: Tue 29 Apr, 2003 11:02 pm
by voodoo sprout
My worries about US intentions have been bumped up today, given the moves regarding Saudi Arabia. In the recent past the US hasn't said anything against the kingdom, and treated it as a minor friend. But now having taken Iraq, they have suddenly noticed, and stated, that Saudi must reform. Is it me, or is this a blatant case of a countries usefulness to the US expiring, giving the American government the cue to start acting tough to bring them into line?
It is a bit excessive I think to say the US is going to use Iraq as a launch pad into Saudi, but the general behaviour is still far from encouraging

.
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Posted: Tue 29 Apr, 2003 11:10 pm
by may18
Well the bbc is reporting that the US is to have 4 military bases in iraq
Official line is they are tempory.
Prolly a coincedence but the world seems a less stable place atm
especially after watching blair and putin
putin was incredibly hostile, and blair..normally mister placid / the man with a permanent silly grin was hostile back!!
Putin: where is saddam and these wmd, perhaps he is hidng in a chamber with them all waiting to blow them up!!. We will not accept a US dominated iraq
Blair: British and american soldiers have fought and died in iraq. The reality is we will NOT hand all responsibility over to the UN.
I was shocked as blair made big progrss with schroeder and chirac it seemed
Something has happened behind the scenes im sure, they looked like enemies
Posted: Wed 30 Apr, 2003 11:18 am
by Sully
Fifteen of the WTC bombers were Saudi

Not that its particularly relevant.
What perhaps is relevant is the connections between Bush's Arbusto Oil and the bin Laden family and how the CIA/FBI were completely blindsided by the attack. To be fair to our favourite draft-dodger, Clinton also seemed to be keen to back off on investigating the activities of certain influential Saudi's - Dubya just took it a step further.
Have a look at this:
http://www.gregpalast.com/columns.cfm?s ... ame=9%2F11
It make for compelling reading - if its wrong then they can always sue.
Never thought I'd say it but roll on European Union.
Posted: Wed 30 Apr, 2003 2:30 pm
by barryc
Spannerman,
Don't misjudge the Italians, the banners declaring PEACE or sometimes PACE are for Easter not a war protest as such.
Barry