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Female Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules'

Posted: Sun 03 Feb, 2008 11:45 pm
by Kiwi1988
People never get sick :o :o


Female Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules'

By Julie Henry and Laura Donnelly
Last Updated: 2:36am GMT 03/02/2008

Muslim medical students are refusing to obey hygiene rules brought in to stop the spread of deadly superbugs, because they say it is against their religion.
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Women training in several hospitals in England have raised objections to removing their arm coverings in theatre and to rolling up their sleeves when washing their hands, because it is regarded as immodest in Islam.

Universities and NHS trusts fear many more will refuse to co-operate with new Department of Health guidance, introduced this month, which stipulates that all doctors must be "bare below the elbow".

The measure is deemed necessary to stop the spread of infections such as MRSA and Clostridium difficile, which have killed hundreds.

Minutes of a clinical academics' meeting at Liverpool University revealed that female Muslim students at Alder Hey children's hospital had objected to rolling up their sleeves to wear gowns.

Similar concerns have been raised at Leicester University. Minutes from a medical school committee said that "a number of Muslim females had difficulty in complying with the procedures to roll up sleeves to the elbow for appropriate handwashing".

Sheffield University also reported a case of a Muslim medic who refused to "scrub" as this left her forearms exposed.

Documents from Birmingham University reveal that some students would prefer to quit the course rather than expose their arms, and warn that it could leave trusts open to legal action.

Hygiene experts said last night that no exceptions should be made on religious grounds.

Dr Mark Enright, professor of microbiology at Imperial College London, said: "To wash your hands properly, and reduce the risks of MRSA and C.difficile, you have to be able to wash the whole area around the wrist.

"I don't think it would be right to make an exemption for people on any grounds. The policy of bare below the elbows has to be applied universally."

Dr Charles Tannock, a Conservative MEP and former hospital consultant, said: "These students are being trained using taxpayers' money and they have a duty of care to their patients not to put their health at risk.

"Perhaps these women should not be choosing medicine as a career if they feel unable to abide by the guidelines that everyone else has to follow."

But the Islamic Medical Association insisted that covering all the body in public, except the face and hands, was a basic tenet of Islam.

"No practising Muslim woman - doctor, medical student, nurse or patient - should be forced to bare her arms below the elbow," it said.

Dr Majid Katme, the association spokesman, said: "Exposed arms can pick up germs and there is a lot of evidence to suggest skin is safer to the patient if covered. One idea might be to produce long, sterile, disposable gloves which go up to the elbows."

Posted: Sun 03 Feb, 2008 11:47 pm
by SO19
Beat you to it Kiwi. 8)

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Posted: Sun 03 Feb, 2008 11:54 pm
by Kiwi1988
SO19 wrote:Beat you to it Kiwi. 8)

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Oh you bugger :roll: :bad-words: :lol:

Posted: Mon 04 Feb, 2008 10:17 am
by Tab
They should be told either comply or leave. Why should they be able to put other peoples lives at risk

Posted: Tue 05 Feb, 2008 3:24 am
by Carlos125
That's a disgrace, it's not like it's because they dont want watches to get caught on door handles, it's to tackle MRSA etc. My uncle died from a superbug on the operating theatre, and to think it was because someone thought it 'indecent' in a room consisting of a small team of medical professionals who are only interested at that moment in time of carrying out the procedure and wouldn't notice if the surgeon had momentarily rolled their sleeves up to clean their forearms before covering it again with a gown? How does that bare even thinking of as an excuse...

It really isn't a big deal, alls they have to do is go and scrub up alone then put the gown on...
Hardly brain surgery...

It'l just lead to patients being called racists after asking for a none muslim doctor 'because they're clean'

It's cutting off the nose to spite the face...

Posted: Tue 05 Feb, 2008 4:56 am
by anglo-saxon
It'll all end in tears. Next, you'll have people refusing precedures with Muslem's on the staff, then the Muslems will get all bent out of shape and stroppy, then they'll start getting slapped by white folk, and so on and so on. Best all round to just deport the farking lot of 'em now and have done with it early!

Posted: Tue 05 Feb, 2008 7:56 am
by sportbilly42
Kiwi1988:
One idea might be to produce long, sterile, disposable gloves which go up to the elbows."
Don't know about anyone else, but if some medic type (of whatever religious persuasion) started snapping on long yellow marigolds all the way up to the elbows in front of me I would be heading for the door.. certainly not letting them put me under before an op anyway...!!

Seen enough vet programmes on the telly to know that 'long gloves' is bad news... :D ...Brings tears to your eyes.. :o :o

(eerrrmmm ...Are you gonna use your WHOLE hand Doc?)

Posted: Tue 05 Feb, 2008 11:07 pm
by Kiwi1988
sportbilly42 wrote:
Kiwi1988:
One idea might be to produce long, sterile, disposable gloves which go up to the elbows."
Don't know about anyone else, but if some medic type (of whatever religious persuasion) started snapping on long yellow marigolds all the way up to the elbows in front of me I would be heading for the door.. certainly not letting them put me under before an op anyway...!!

Seen enough vet programmes on the telly to know that 'long gloves' is bad news... :D ...Brings tears to your eyes.. :o :o

(eerrrmmm ...Are you gonna use your WHOLE hand Doc?)
Oh come on sportie don't tell me you are moaner mate :wink:

You must have complete faith in the doctor and nurses, that are highly trained from Allah-wills-it-stan and this will over come any pain and disability you may have after the treatment.

Posted: Wed 06 Feb, 2008 11:16 am
by Doc
cnuts :evil: :evil:

Posted: Wed 06 Feb, 2008 12:42 pm
by sportbilly42
The size of the hands (and where they 'placed' by the gloved one) depends on the loudness of the moans ..... :o :shocked!:

Posted: Thu 07 Feb, 2008 9:36 am
by Kiwi1988
sportbilly42 wrote:The size of the hands (and where they 'placed' by the gloved one) depends on the loudness of the moans ..... :o :shocked!:
Well since female muslims can't touch you or see you naked, I would say a mans hand would be a tad bit uncomfortable. :wink:

But if you wish to send photos, 360 degree shot's of cause, I could give you a medical opinion on that, :D :flirt:

Don't worry I promise to warm my hands first :wink:

Posted: Thu 07 Feb, 2008 9:58 am
by Doc
I think they should have their arms cut off for nicking decent folks jobs!

Its what they do in Muslimarabiastan? :o

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Posted: Thu 07 Feb, 2008 10:15 pm
by flighty
Tell you what ..... why not just cut out the middle man and have a total blitzkrieg on anything / anyone Muslim?

I am becoming pig sick of the attitude of folk on here.

Posted: Thu 07 Feb, 2008 10:34 pm
by Doc
I like your thinking there flighty :lol:

Im not racist or anti muslim, I am however anti changing this country from the standards set by people who have sweat bled and sacrificed for it (I dont mean squaddies only either, but all professions that made this country what it WAS)

I am also not anti immigration and believe a cultural mix is also what makes the UK the UK.

However..............I am anti anyone who does come here and try and undo our heritage and alter the very smae safe haven they have sought out and been offered because they wont tolerate our systems and beliefs.

Each man is created equal (apart from Mendes) and I have the right to defend the very substance the UK is built on.

Posted: Fri 08 Feb, 2008 1:14 am
by Kiwi1988
flighty wrote:Tell you what ..... why not just cut out the middle man and have a total blitzkrieg on anything / anyone Muslim?

I am becoming pig sick of the attitude of folk on here.
I am anti muslim, due to the fact they want to kill me off, I kinda take that personally. :roll: