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Hey,

For those who don't know, my family's from Iraq, I'm not though, I was born in Sheffield.

It's tough, because all the time I'm hearing my parents about how U.K. soldiers are doing this, U.K. soldiers are doing that, etc, and they're so blind they decide to generalise against the entire British Army. It goes further than that, sadly. They have no respect for this country. I'm not patriotic, but, they have little respect for people who aren't muslims. I hate to say it like that but that is how it is. They're always attacking Blair and co for how the country is, and I'm like "Go back to Iraq", not in a xenophobic "go back to where you came from" way, but I just hate it when people don't appreciate things. And the sad thing is they're now saying "Allahu Akbar" everytime they hear about the death of a U.S. soldier. Not a U.K. one, but still... that's just not right.

Considering that I'm joining the Army, you can understand why I've not been talking to my dad for almost 6 weeks.

But that's beside the point. Has anyone else experienced this? I've noticed a lot of muslims that I know are like this, but I'm not going to generalise... that'd be stupid.


Even if I don't agree with the war, I'd still respect the soldiers for what they're doing, except the ones who abuse their roles.

how come your family come to the uk?

My dad managed to leave Iraq to study abroad. He's a consultant haematologist now, earning £200,000+, he should be so grateful.

I dont really know that many muslims, but the ones I do, altought they are against the war in Iraq they dont hate the west for it, still the muslim community is pretty well integrated in my country and it's very small too (comparing to other European countries) so I guess this is explains their views on the west.
From what you told us your parent's doesnt seem to be truly muslims as islam is supposed to be a religion of tolerance and peace.

It's a shame that has happenned Moose.

I agree with you in many ways. If a person truely despises the culture of a country there is very little reaosn they should remain there. Perhaps your father should go back to Iraq. His skills as a haematologist i imagine would be in great demand back there.

I've come across this attitude quite a lot though my work in the public sector. And i find it greatly annoying when in one breath people will attack every facet of a country and in the next demand benefits and special treatment.

But Major Moose, at least you have an appreciation for this country. Perhaps your example can serve to alter their opinons, in time.

Sonne

As many probably know,I'm British born.
I had an interesting little contretemp last time I was in the UK.
A Palestinian who wore nothing but black was ranting on about the British,The Americans and The Israelis.
He then spotted my American flag pin and started on me.
I pointed out that as a Muslim he should not be in a pub.He was shit faced.
Turns out he didn't even have a job but had been drawing welfare for himself ,His wife,seven children plus his parents.
Conversation got a little tense after I gleaned that little gem.
Still it's the same here,Almost 70% of our jail space is taken by ilegal
Mexicans who have no intention of working.

I have been saying this for year's, people come to this country for a better life, and then complain about it, it really p*sse's me off
They come to this country and will never be British because they don't want to be, and they teach thier children not to be British, and go on about how thier home country is better than Britain.
Well I say this, if thier country is so great, ferk off back there!!!
The thing that has got me really mad at the moment is people that come here and commit crime, that really p*ss's me off!!!!.
Talk about biting the hand that feed's you.

THe problem with what I have just written is that it make's me sound like a right wing racist, which I am not. I'm fed up with having to make excuse's for people that don't belong here.

Major moose I wish the best of luck in your career with our armed force's.

Rant over

Samey Same.
They teach their children to hate the Gringo and refuse to let them speak English.Unfortunately some of our politicians agree,offering free housing to ilegalls,Along with healthcare which they are never going to pay for plus multi-lingual schools,Driver Licenses(But not insurance)Farking list is endless.
It really has got to stop at some point.
People in the South are now being refused jobs unless they are bi-lingual.
My ATM card is printed BOLDY in Spanish.
I don't feel the need to speak a foreign language although some of my officers do.ENOUGH!!!!(Thats my personal opinion)I can generally get my message over without resorting to Spanish.
Me? Racist?Ask them.I didn't ask them to come here.I just lock them up until the Jail Commander tells me he has no more space.

superbuzzmetal wrote:From what you told us your parent's doesnt seem to be truly muslims as islam is supposed to be a religion of tolerance and peace.

Is that true as the main examples I see disprove that and the little research I did unearthed the fact that Muhammad who is the most important Islamic prophet actually taught his followers to violently seek to convert non believers and destroy those who wouldnt convert.

(I got that little gem of info from a documentary about the middle east which had a little bit about islam in it which was shown on the discovery channel, needless to say I was surprised when I heard it)

Yet alot of people say Islam is about peace and tolerence, Which is it ffs?

I don`t really care Humphs
I, too, was sick of all the western-ness at home so I emigrated twelve thousand mile to the East
You western bastards get on my breasts

Long-time fans of this site will know that we have another female Muslim Member who has shown those of us who know her that there is hope for the future. Of course it`s hard coming to UK from village India or where ever, of course there is reverse rascism. You can`t deny that.
Moose is trying to assimilate here and is telling you what it`s like in her home. What`s it like in your home though? What do you feel when Iraqi women and children are killed and they`re called "Collaterals" because I know how I feel. Or the current issue with the masacre by USMC?
Things are never as simple as they seem.

harry hackedoff wrote: What do you feel when Iraqi women and children are killed and they`re called "Collaterals" because I know how I feel. Or the current issue with the masacre by USMC?
Things are never as simple as they seem.

It's called war Harry.Very simple really.Unfortunatley some members of the Media seem to have forgotten.

Moose: Well done for bringing this up. Yours is not an enviable situation. Seems like you have a good head on your shoulders, so try to rise above it all. I wouldn't encourage you becomming confrontational with your old man about all this, but there may be a way to allude to the glaring hypocricy he is showing by enjoying the freedome of British society and taking mony from "the infidel", while ranting against them both. Only you can know how best to deal with it all. Good luck with it and with your army application!

Sonne wrote:It's a shame that has happenned Moose.

I agree with you in many ways. If a person truely despises the culture of a country there is very little reaosn they should remain there. Perhaps your father should go back to Iraq. His skills as a haematologist i imagine would be in great demand back there.

I've come across this attitude quite a lot though my work in the public sector. And i find it greatly annoying when in one breath people will attack every facet of a country and in the next demand benefits and special treatment.

But Major Moose, at least you have an appreciation for this country. Perhaps your example can serve to alter their opinons, in time.

Sonne

Exactly. It's so damn easy to criticise. But your criticism is so much more valid when you know about the subject. For example if I said that I thought Tony Blair was really ****ing up in running the country, my opinion would mean little because I know little about politics. All I know is that he's doing better than I could.

going grey! wrote:I have been saying this for year's, people come to this country for a better life, and then complain about it, it really p*sse's me off
They come to this country and will never be British because they don't want to be, and they teach thier children not to be British, and go on about how thier home country is better than Britain.
Well I say this, if thier country is so great, ferk off back there!!!
The thing that has got me really mad at the moment is people that come here and commit crime, that really p*ss's me off!!!!.
Talk about biting the hand that feed's you.

THe problem with what I have just written is that it make's me sound like a right wing racist, which I am not. I'm fed up with having to make excuse's for people that don't belong here.

Major moose I wish the best of luck in your career with our armed force's.

Rant over

I agree. England is better than many countries. It's not perfect, but it's still better. My little sister said to me a few days ago that the U.K. and U.S. governments were evil. I didn't shout at her or anything, she's 10 years old. I just asked her to ask her parents why they came to England, if it was worse. It's sad that they seemed to have brainwashed her.

harry hackedoff wrote:I don`t really care Humphs
I, too, was sick of all the western-ness at home so I emigrated twelve thousand mile to the East
You western bastards get on my breasts

Long-time fans of this site will know that we have another female Muslim Member who has shown those of us who know her that there is hope for the future. Of course it`s hard coming to UK from village India or where ever, of course there is reverse rascism. You can`t deny that.
Moose is trying to assimilate here and is telling you what it`s like in her home. What`s it like in your home though? What do you feel when Iraqi women and children are killed and they`re called "Collaterals" because I know how I feel. Or the current issue with the masacre by USMC?
Things are never as simple as they seem.

I'm male by the way. Just think of the fun I'll have in the Army, I could still be optimistic saying that people are going to be like "Oh look, a spy!"

I've lost a few people in war. I lost a friend in the second war while talking to him on the phone. It was only then that I realised that he had become a name, almost nothing more. I hadn't seen him for years. I was going to go see him. I saw his body, and it's a nauseating experience, to see a body, and think "Is that him?" as it's barely similar to how he looked.

The same goes for my family. I've not seen my relatives in a long time. I've not even met most of them. I've gone to Iraq three times since the war, and each time I've been deprived of meeting people I should meet, people who should be a part of my life. When I learned that a cousin was killed in action while fighting british troops (this is why my parents are hating me) I felt that I had just lost a name. It's like when you read a news article, you see the name of someone who has died. Sometimes it's someone you know, sometimes it's just a word, a name.

I don't know if international war protesters can understand the situation in Iraq. I don't like war, f@#k no. I'm joining because I realise there are people who are trapped in war, and they deserve as much help as we can give. But I don't like war. But when anti-war protesters protest against the Iraqi war it's like saying "Leave Saddam there". You can argue that there are other ways... but they don't work. Saddam is a tyrant, a madman. You don't just go waving the white flag in his face, do you?

I know that in the longer future, fewer people will regret this war. I regret it for losing people, but I realise that we're all going to die someday. And a country as a whole could live so much better. If I had to die 'early' so that some people could live a better life, I'd do it.

I respect the protesters. But until they've been to the damn country in question, I don't think they can understand it enough.

Thanks for all your best wishes.

Moose you've got a good head on your shoulders and your reasons for joining are admirable. Give it your best and continue as you've been going on becasue there aren't enough people like you in the world.

Are you a registered nurse already or are you going to study it at University?

Sonne

I'm going to study it at University next year. I can't wait.

I've still got the entire process before though, I've not taken any tests, etc. I've had one interview.

What do you do?