Dubya in London

[Spannerman]

B Liar is a trained barrister, his rhetoric comes across very well, he certainly seems to have his finger on the pulse, his show is a bit like Thatchers a one man/woman band. HOWEVER the advice he was given by MI5/MI6 leading up to the Gulf War II was not in keeping with telling the truth by someone and as he is the PRIME Minister the buck must stop with him. He fell into Bush's trap in taking out Saddam (and yes there were ways and means) and became his glove puppet.

The only thing that the Labour Party has going for it is the shape of our economy (well that is why we pay all these taxes for) and the fact that B Liar can hold out a discussion with anyone.

Bush on the other hand looks an embarrassment, God how is the $60 billion for the war effort and the restructuring of Iraq going to be paid for, not from Iraqi oil surely as today he has stated 'going to liberate 25 million people' perhaps he ought to turn his attention to Checnya or is the Russian bear too mighty an animal for the Bald Eagle to take on?

[Wholley]

Spannerman.
The way Putin is behaving recently we may well be
dealing with a new Soviet Russia.
Wholley.

[may18]

Well first off im not a fan of bush, or the war.

But, the setting up of a special british-american trade deal (under discussion) will make back far more than 5 million. And if b.liar (whom i detest) can avert the upcoming eu-us trade war, that will be priceless.

Ive just watched the "peaceful protestors" on the TV.

It started off peacefully, then they decided to attack the police, throwing eggs at them, hitting them on the back and wrestling them to the ground.

Also i saw at least one US flag burnt. And a group of "peacefull protestors" smashing up cardboard bush cutouts.

To be quite honest, they were an embarrasment. I believe in protecting peoples right to protest. However these sorts of protest always attract signifigant numbers of anarchists, and general troublemakers. Who probably couldnt care less what they are protesting.

Sorry, i know i go against popular opinion here, but i think that the actions shown so far are disgusting, and when related by the world media will portray us as a bunch of yobs.

[Andy O'Pray]

May 18, If it is any consolation, the demonstrations are being given only a slight mention in Canada and the US. In fact, the Bush visit is only being reported as to the highlights. The headlines on this side of the pond include Michael Jackson and who was to blame for the blackout in Ontario and the Eastern States. Every country has it's yobs.

Aye - Andy. :fadein:

[Spannerman]

Totally agree on the yob element, they are a disgrace, and I don't want to be associated with these tree hugging left wing anarchists either. There probably isn't too many in my family who are further right of centre than me. Yep Bush is right of centre too but to attack a nation without the consent of the world (UN) is just not cricket and for Blair to follow suit is a puppy yapping at his heels.

The service personnel over there are doing a fantastic job and whilst in that field of hardship I support them, it is the politics I do not support in being there in the first place. I think GWB will think long and hard about his next little foray into the abyss.

[Sisyphus]

but to attack a nation without the consent of the world (UN) is just not cricket and for Blair to follow suit is a puppy yapping at his heels.

But didn't Bush having a point about whether the UN wants to have any relevance?

When Mussolini attacked Abbysinia the League of Nations passed a motion that there should be an immediate, unconditional withdrawal. Naturally, Mussolini ignored this. Ultimately, the LoN folded because it did nothing about it [and other things: it had become irrelvant to making a difference in the world. It is possible the UN could go the same way.

[Deniable_Operative]

It is possible the UN could go the other way, but that is the last thing we want.

All it takes is a few corrupt governments more concerned about making a fast buck with arms dealing and oil than making the world a safer place (and yes, that works both ways), then the whole thing splinters apart and we have world war 3.

I don't agree that Iraq is all about oil, that's an over-cynical view. It's about Bush getting some payback for 09/11 in any way he can directly or indirectly, saddam hussein, al qaeda, what's the difference, it's all the same to him.