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Posted: Mon 01 Aug, 2005 5:27 am
by faddius
The G3 variant in the pics isn't a custom made weapon. It is a prodction model called the G3SG/1.
The G3SG/1 is a sniper enhanced variant of the G3 rifle that was made at the request of the Deutsche Bundeswehr (German Army). It most closely resembles the G3 rifle, and retains almost all of the standard features. The differences are not readily visible to the eye. The barrels are hand picked for accuracy, and the standard buttstock has a slightly adjustable cheekpiece.

The G3SG/1 (SG stands for Scharfschützengewehr or sharp shooting rifle) has one of the most interesting trigger groups ever designed by HK. This is a trigger that combines the ability to "set" the trigger by pushing the button behind the trigger to the rear when in the semi-auto mode to give the firer the best trigger pull available from an HK rifle in this genre. This trigger when in set mode, is lighter and more crisp than the PSG1 trigger group. Further, and quite surprising, is the addition of full automatic capability on top of everything else. This appears to be a rifle designed to cover all contingencies. This trigger group is even more like a Swiss watch inside than even the ambidextrous burst groups.
Extract from : http://www.hkpro.com/g3sg1.htm

Posted: Mon 01 Aug, 2005 2:43 pm
by SO19
Its certainly possible it could be a G3SG/1, but I think its highly-unlikely they would purposely fit a shorter barrel to it over the standard one.

Just look at the size of the fore-stock and the relationship between it and the bi-pod. The G3SG/1 also has a standard butt-stock with a cheek piece, the one above is using a PSG1 stock instead. I'm pretty confident its a G3K, but with scope and new butt-stock.

...but hey, its not really important. It did the job.:P

New Special Forces Unit Tailed Brazilian

Posted: Thu 04 Aug, 2005 12:42 pm
by Devils_Advocate
A new army special forces regiment was involved in the operation that led to the killing of an innocent man at Stockwell tube station in south London last week, the Guardian can reveal.

The Special Reconnaissance Regiment, set up in April to help combat international terrorism, was deployed in the surveillance operation which led to the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes, a Brazilian electrician, on July 22, according to Whitehall sources.

The revelation came as Scotland Yard announced the first charges in connection with the terror attacks in London.

Ismael Abdurahman of Kennington, south-east London, will appear before Bow Street magistrates today. He will be charged with having information he knew or believed may be of material assistance in securing the apprehension, prosecution or conviction of another person in the UK for an offence involving the commission, preparation or instigation of an act of terrorism.

Yesterday Whitehall sources told the Guardian that soldiers of the Special Reconnaisance Regiment, modelled on an undercover unit that operated in Northern Ireland, was engaged in "low-level intelligence behind the scenes" when the Brazilian was shot. There was "no direct military involvement in the shooting", the sources said.

It is believed to be the first time the new regiment was engaged in an operation.

The regiment absorbed 14th Intelligence Company, known as "14 Int", a plainclothes unit set up to gather intelligence covertly on suspect terrorists in Northern Ireland. Its recruits are trained by the SAS.

Geoff Hoon, the then defence secretary, said the unit had been formed to meet a worldwide demand for "special reconnaissance capability".

Mr De Menezes was targeted because he was seen coming out of a three-storey block of nine flats, Corfe House in Tulse Hill, south London, identified as a building linked to the failed July 21 bombers.

He lived on the first floor with his two cousins, Vivian and Patricia.

Mr De Menezes was followed and seen boarding a No 2 bus, heading north towards Stockwell. Boarding with him, it is understood, were several plainclothes officers. Defence sources refuse to comment on suggestions that they may have been members of the Special Reconnaissance Regiment.

Other officers followed the bus in vehicles. When it became clear that Stockwell tube was his possible destination, a team of armed police officers in plain clothes were alerted. They fired eight shots at Mr De Menezes at close range after the 27-year-old Brazilian ran on to a tube train.

A senior police officer was running the operation from Scotland Yard's "Gold Command".

The Independent Police Complaints Commission is conducting an inquiry into the shooting. It is certain to include the role of the Special Reconnaissance Regiment, and also issues relating to the false identification of the victim, and whether CCTV pictures of the failed bombers were available at the time.

Another question is why the Brazilian - a suspected suicide bomber - was allowed to get on to a London bus when two buses had already been targeted.

Posted: Thu 04 Aug, 2005 3:08 pm
by SO19
Interesting... quite a suprise. :o

Posted: Thu 04 Aug, 2005 3:53 pm
by mfat_man
Interesting... quite a suprise.


SO19 I think I should be more careful this week I wandered out of a tube station a bit lost and confused, and possibly looking quite suss.

Anyway of course there was a team parked up nearby watching me like a hawk.

Oh dear.... I think you need to keep the weapon safety just in case LOL :oops:

Posted: Sat 06 Aug, 2005 8:50 pm
by Guest
I think it was James Bond that followed him. What did you say? James Bond isn't real? Ofcourse he is fricking real you idiot. Or MI5

Posted: Sat 06 Aug, 2005 8:56 pm
by SO19
*annoying tit

Posted: Sun 07 Aug, 2005 10:38 am
by mfat_man
think it was James Bond that followed him. What did you say? James Bond isn't real? Ofcourse he is fricking real you idiot. Or MI5
Yeah yeah Stinky. keep sniffing the glue, petrol or whatever.... :(

Posted: Mon 08 Aug, 2005 8:26 pm
by sneaky beaky
This thread is getting out of control.
If we get any more stupid comments - then I will use my new found authorisation to bin it!!
1. This was a police operation and nothing to do with Special Forces, therefore - you are on the wrong thread.!!
2. If it had been a SF operation, I guarantee you, that he would not have needed 7 shots to the head. In fact I would say that they would have got him out alive!!
Sneaky

Posted: Mon 08 Aug, 2005 9:48 pm
by faddius
2. If it had been a SF operation, I guarantee you, that he would not have needed 7 shots to the head. In fact I would say that they would have got him out alive!!
Sneaky


Really?.. :lol:

Gibraltar 6 March 1988 anyone?.. :roll: I think one of the terrorists was shot 16 times.

Posted: Mon 08 Aug, 2005 10:01 pm
by markthestab
16 times, dont be so hard on him, maybe he ran out of bullets

Posted: Mon 08 Aug, 2005 10:24 pm
by faddius
I believe he did. At the inquiry one of the Barristers asked the trooper something like "so why did you stop?", trooper answered "I ran out of bullets in my handgun."

Posted: Mon 08 Aug, 2005 11:23 pm
by SO19
It was obvious it was always a Police operation.

Posted: Mon 08 Aug, 2005 11:44 pm
by CheesePossessed
It was obvious when 2 of the coppers stopped after running 15 yards and ordered a couple of doughnuts and some steak and kidney pies........................with chips and mushy peas and a round of buttered bread.

Posted: Mon 08 Aug, 2005 11:57 pm
by SO19
Ah, time for the bin... sneaky!