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Dear Leroy 8541

Have a nice day.

The Brits may seem easy peesey to you.

But, you sods have asked us to help you umpteen times over the years.

Point one. Korea (1951). Chosin reservoir. 41 CDORM (later task force 'Drysdale'). Not many Royal marines but they got a Citation from your president!

Point last. Afganistan (2001/02) Royal Marines. (again). 2 medals of honour. Nuff said.

My son is on his way to your looney tunes Presidents little game of revenge cos his Dad lost. So F**k Off Numbnuts

I hope you get piles.


Aye steve evans

Leroy
You need to take a little time to read what you wright. Its all we, us the good old USA, I dont remember voting for George Dubya in the election for the leadership of the free world, infact I dont think there ever was a vote,So that would, in principle, make your George the Self imposed Dictator/Leader of the free world, I think thats what we are trying to remove in Iraq a dictator. The word "FREE" ( not in bondage to or under the control of another having personal rights and social and political liberty)Is exactly that, free to have an opinion and free to take a stand if you beleive in someting stongly. So Leroy, when part of the FREE(see above)World says something that the Only super power left in the world does not agree with, try to work out why it has been said and not as has happened so many times in the last few months, take it as an insult to the United States. I fully believe that there is a major problem within Iraq and the world would be a much safer place if SH. was removed from power. But let me tell you , most of the boys and girls here on this forum are Ex military and know a little bit about intelligence gathering, and the pressentation that your Mr Powell gave to the world showing proof of W-of-MD had more holes in it then the ozone, very weak. So if you wish for the FREE world to FREELY follow the US lead, show us all concrete proof and there will be very few who will not Follow.No one likes a BULLY, but everyone likes friends.

Leroy, by the way the only war that you went in on your lonesome you lost
(Vietnam) so it helps to have friends because even super powers have a soft underbelly some were.


They always look good together.

Two things I watch on Sundays.
News on ABC and, more importantly Sir, Mister Hornblower.
" Hoist yer headsail, man, hoist yer headsail."
The amount of people from all countries in the "free" world who turned out to protest, is a strong comment to our glorious leaders. If you agree or disagree with the protestors motives, it was democracy in action.
Pointless, obviously. But democracy in action, all the same.
"Take out her mainmast, Mister Mathews, lively like"

I must go below, Sir. Someone`s dropped the soap, oo arr

Aye,

George W. Bush was in fact elected by the American people to lead our country Tony Blair was elected to lead the British people, they have united our people together to "put down" Saddams Regime in Iraq. I watched Colin Powells videos and listened to his speech. I am sattisfied with his evidence that the Iraqis are pulling our legs. We have it all on the sattelite photos that they are playing cat and mouse with the U.N. inspectors, captured radio messages and everything. O.K. now everyone thinks it is a "hollywood snowjob" I don't. Now listen to Saddams contradictions We have no weapons of mass destruction !! The U.N can't find anything!! Next day, A message from SH to field commanders if the Americans attack they have full authority to use chemical weapons against them!! If every one is so convinced he does not have wmd why are they worried about the NBC threat during an assault? Who is blowing smoke here? Would any of you be willing to attack the Iraqis without the NBC gear? They don't have WMD capabilities right?

Viet Nam is a sore subject with us just like the Falklands are with you. Let me explain something to you and it will pertain to this thread. Viet Nam was a FRENCH colony, they were getting their arses kicked by the Viet Cong and asked for help from the NATO alliance the U.S. were the only ones who volunteered to help as soon as we got involved FRANCE pulled out and left it to ELMER. We could not take full control of the situation because it was a FRENCH colony we were there as "backup" we were taking massive casualties in a war we could not win because of AMERICAN diplomacy!! The American people started revolting and we had to tactically pull out of the situation.



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They do look good together

P A R D O N M E ! How is Viet Nam like the Falklands?
I seem to remember that the ARGIES were whopped and booted out.
What was this Tactical Withdrawl from Sigon were not your tails between your legs?
I have vivid memories of the last Huey's leaving the US embassy in some what of a hurry..... I guess that in any language that would be a Tatical Withdrawal.
As for the right of our presedent, as he would like to believe he is, Yup he was elected to govern, albeit badly, It appears that he has a devine right to do what he pleases, even to send toops to a conflict that the country wants no involvement in.
Wait until the UN have completed their job and the decide what to do.... or is it the May and June heat of the desart that you don,t want to endure................any YANK out there listning?

Hi Leroy, I think many of my little pals on here will agree that the reason you were losing so many troops in Vietnem, especially when deeply enmeshed was because your country/generals/politicians put quantity over quality, your Army, in particular was rubbish. I don't mean to insult you lightly, I'm simply stating fact. Conscripts were fighting an ensconced, aggressive, indoctrinated enemy.
The armed force you sent to the Gulf last time bore no relationship to the force pulled out of SE Asia. Lessons were learned, unfortunately it was the hard way. Gt Britain has a tiny armed force by comparison witht the US of A, but the important units within the force, RM, Paras, SF and armour are really well trained and bear comparison with the best in any country. (of course the RM don't ever compare ourselves to anyone else)

My dear little mates, I thought that I was the one to get all hot and bothered under the collar with our American cousins. One must look upon them as you would a teenage child, a lot of energy and no experience. As adults we know that they don't know everything, even though that they think that they do, so please, give them room to express themselves.

Aye - Andy.

Harry, i agree that the EU or EEc or whatvever is bad for Britian, unfortunatley the word 'Britain' and having príde in it is viewed as a criminal offence by many of my generation, and doing anything to protect Britain's interest is deemed as imperialst, sad but true. Also, i have never been 'fed on sh*t.'

Good thing its raining in Daytona, and the Grat American Race is delayed for a few minutes so I can respond to this now, but I shall have to hurry in case it starts back up.
We lost alot of troops in Viet Nam because the gov. had a muzzle on our troops. Did't want to hurt anyones feelings, remember what happened to Patton. Regardless of how many body bags were being filled with bodies of our 19 year old soldiers and Marines.
Another fact was alot of them didn't want to be there and didn't believe in what they were doing, Quite the opposite of desert storm part one. Although that is only my opinion, because I wasn't in Viet Nam I was only 9 yrs old when it ended. I was in Desert Storm though. I hope the attitude thus far changes before any troops go into battle, and God forgive anyone seen spitting on any of MY MARINES, if this one does go badly!!
You are correct about doing something quick because of the heat in the desert, it will be disasterous for the troops deploying from the south. with the wmd threat of the Iraqi Army, the troops will have to use mopp 4 gear, a microwave oven in 70 degree weather.
I was referring to the way the french pulled out on us the way we pulled out on you, although we woulda spanked them boys in a couple o days!!

Race is fixin to restart gotta go!!!!

Dearest leroy (various numbers)

The good ole USA were not the only troops in Vietnam.

The Aussies were there. Ditto New Zealand, and just for good measure the Koreans.

In Fact the RAF were their a few times, Beverleys. 4 engined transports to take out the injured. Because your country asked the Brits to help.

I know this for a fact as my old man went there 3 times from Singarpore. staging forward from HongKong.

So... just leave it please.

Stephan Ellis Evans

When I tried to catch up with the messages on this thread I had the intention of replying to every argument, especially those put forward by Leroy.
Unfortunately there are too many. I would, however, like to welcome Leroy, and commend him for his courage in bearding us hairy old bootnecks in our den!

That doesn't mean I agree with his arguments.

I think we should try and forget the history books for a while.
We all know what happened in the last century.... And if you look it was bloody painful to everyone of us! All we soldiers have is the memorials... The Menin Gate and the Vietnam Wall are probably the two most moving pieces of masonry I have ever seen.

As I see it this present problem is about four things:

1. Iraqs failure to comply with a UN resolution.

(So why isn't George Dubya Bush threatening Israel with invasion?)

2. Iraqs record of diabolical human rights violations.

(So why isn't George Dubya Bush threatening Russia with
invasion?)

3. Iraqs ownership of weapons of mass destruction.

(So why isn't George Dubya Bush threatening North Korea with invasion?)

4. Iraqs links to world terrorists.

(So why isn't George Dubya Bush threatening to invade Saudi Arabia and The Yemen?)

Correct me if I'm wrong Leroy, but weren't the bulk of the perps of the 9/11 tragedy from those countries, if any were Iraqis, then I must have missed hearing of them.

I actually attended a Peace Rally yesterday.... After serving 30 years in the Royal Marines, I marched because I do not think it is worth the life of one Royal Marine just to secure the political future of Bush or Blair, neither of whom have any idea of what it means to "Serve Their Countries".

As I have been reminded by my friends, I am too old to go and do it again.... If it happens again I will support those who fight to the hilt, but I will spit on the politicians that killed them!!

Regards Dave B.

Amen Mr. Barrett, I agree with you i would like to let history sleep, for awhile whilst I study,the books do not tell all the tales but my father tells some as do yours, I will give him a pint to loosen his jaw before I make any further comments on Viet Nam. It is a VERY painful subject.
You are correct, most of the terrorist from the 9/11 were Saudi nationals. I do not have the answers that you are asking, because I am asking them my damn self. I am sure after this is finished there is going to be more and more, right now I think Bush is trying to clean up a mess that should have been taken care of a while back by the clinton administration. He was to busy for this as he was busy getting a blowjob in the oval office. and cutting the throat of our military while secretely jacking off Korea and China.
Mr. Evans I knew that we weren't the only ones in Viet Nam, after the statement Ginge made I was wondering if anyone else had anything to say. Nobody is allowed to go it alone anymore, if you do then you are in contempt of NATO and U.N. resolutions and are in for a spanking from the coalition. Albeit I would not like to see the coalition try to give Elmer a spanking, they would have better luck with China!!

One more thing beore I hit te rack. Something that really pisses me off.
I am sure all of you know about our constitution giving us the right to bear arms against a tyrranical govornment. and all that stuff. Well it seems that NATO and the U.N. along with the coalition doesn't seem to like that idea of a governed body that is completely capable of protecting itself. And having the ability to form a militia without a federal government backed military that is linked to them. Now they are "suggesting" that all Americans turn in their guns. Ha, sounds like someone is a little frightened. Good night all see you later SEMPER FI.

Only in America ! .....

I think that we have another angler here - playing for a trout -
Read the threads lads.... familiar ?

I recall another name from before THE Vietnam :-
Dien Bien Phu

The Frogs deserve that we remember that one ....
All others - check the dates involved regarding the 'assistance' rendered
by the US of A.

I'll stop now before I swallow a fly... Allright Harry ?