Martin Luther King formerly known as "Lil Mike"

[Sisyphus]

The trouble with issues like this on Forum like this is how to come to any sort of objective conclusion. Well, I guess you can read up a bit. Powell, apparently, Served two tours in Vietnam, was a Btn Cdr in Korea, and OC 2nd Bde 101st Aiborne Div'n. He's got the Defense Distinguished Sve Medal, the Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Presidential Medal of Freedom, the Congressional Gold Medal and an Honorary Knighthood from HM the Queen.

So there must be another side to the guy. We could check out Ashworth and Sampley's analysis of the guy [apparently two reputable journalists (I think that's what I read).

They claim his Bronze Star was wrongly awarded because the guys he rescued weren't in an actual war zone and his Purple Heart was for some trivial injury. If correct in this, then we can reasonably assume his other honours and awards were legitimately earned, or they would have exposed them, too. At one point they challenge his reputation as the 'mastermind' who won Gulf War I - an accolade generally made by many nations after the war. They criticise this as wholly undeserved because '....if his victory and strategy were so good why is Bush no longer in power and Saddam Hussein is?' So now we have a fact we can use as a benchmark against which we can judge the other claims they make: i.e. a statement of such staggering naivety - no it's worse than that - it's puerile beyond belief. So the authors of the article believe a General dictates the political system by which a Western democracy operates. How embarrassing is that?? On any objective assessment it's crazy. :crazyeyes:

But there is another, more telling, issue on which 'neutrals' can judge the man. Not the fact that Arab and western nations in the coalition trusted him to lead the war against Hussein; no, it's the fact that when proposed as Secretary of State by the President his appointment was unanimously approved by the Congress of the United States of America. So, Powell is a man, no doubt plagued by the various weaknesses that we are all subject to. But if he's as 'black' [sorry about the pun] as he's painted by A & S then the 'neutrals' are led to only one conclusion: the entire US congress doesn't contain one solitary individual who has the honesty, courage and integrity to stand against an unworthy man. Is there any sane person who could actually believe that? I don't think so.


So we can read A & S: we can consider the actions of the US Congress; then we can draw some typeof reasonable conclusion.

Well, some may read A & S and be taken in - I doubt that anyone without an axe to grind would give them the time of day. I still perceive him as intelligent, articulate, and would make as good a president as some of the less worthy characters we've seen in that post over the years.

A & S? Well, my guess is they aren't objective investgative reporters. If I wanted to waste my time I could do a bit of digging but I've got more important things to do - like having a c**p.

So who are they? I wouldn't be surprised if, in their spare time they wear white sheets and their hats have a point - which is more than can be said for their beliefs.

[Whitey]

Sysifus,
Look, Colin may look good from the outside like your Blair looks to us, but Powel is nothing more than a bedfellow with any party who is in the quid pro quo business. Powel is black, to question blacks, their motives or methods is to be racist's. This is exactly why powel was selected to do the job he is doing, people will go along to get along. Powel see's America as a busted pinata and intends to grovel for as much candy as he can. His military record is a joke, he never commanded a division and was relieved at the Corps level. His pentegon time rivals Kissingers, and Powel was a soldier. Gulf 1 Powel was used once again because at the time in America as I recall the nation was ready for a black super hero. It worked too, the blacks in my school did cheeta flips knowing one of their own was incharge, when in reality the war was planned and fought off of old stormin Normans war college thesis on war in the desert. The whole reason old Norman was there. Again look at this war, the guy/general who doled out propaganda to the press was black. It was obvious looking at his sadly put together uniform and faddish hair style to any real soldier that this guy was a PR perfumed Prince, and better he was black and anyone who questioned his comments was infact questioning him, and by doing so his race which is a mortal sin in modern circles, like the ones you are secular in I'm sure.
Powel sucks up to any party that pays, in money and favor. In turn they get his fabricated reputation and the black populous by default, no questions asked.
White sheets? Aw they got you trained well. You should check out League of the South, do a search, no white sheets, just the truth, blacks and indians sporting the truth, the confederate flag, it is scarry.
The fact is MLK, Powel ect... they played the game, and used their people and race to get where they are. MLK's family still has never had a job, neither has jessie jackson. I've always had a job, to the point I had enough points at 27 to draw social security retirement at a liveable sum should I become unable to work until my dying day.
Opprotunist either way. Patriot? I'd challenge that.

[Whitey]

Oh yeah and in the US Army it is common practice to award medals arbitrarily, and to leaders for what their subordinates actually did. The purple heart was given for paper cuts in Vietnam and it is common for officers to write each other up for awards, quid pro quo. A fine example of why the US Army is NCO driven, the Officers have no integrity and don't even try to hide it.

[Sisyphus]

OK whitey,

I still cannot believe the Congress would unanimously vote for him if the reality is as you try to portray it. If the US Congress is so completely and utterly corrupt there's no hope for the world. And I flatly refuse to believe that.


But I do now think I get your philosophy on life:

It seems to be about the Reds and the Blacks. But, obviously, it's not quite as easy as that. You see they are all Negroes. And the Fascists won't be called black because of their racial pride so they are called White after the White Russians. And the Bolshevists want to be called black because of 'their' racial pride. So when you say black you mean red, and when you mean red you say white and when the party who call themselves blacks say traitors they mean what we call blacks, but what we mean when we say traitors I really couldn't tell you.....But, of course, it's really a war between the Yankees and the Confederates and Socialists and Capitalists who are all against one another on the patriot side.
I hope that makes things plain.

[Whitey]

Really and truely our Congress is very corrupt, much like our military. You join up with either wanting to make a difference and realize everyone there, or most everyone there is on the "Me" program and quid pro quo program to the point you can fight it and end up set up, you can shut up and do your time and leave or you can take payday for as long as you whore your soul.
As far as my philosophy old boy it is simple.
What I am for.
Strict Constitutionalism, isolationism,laissez-faire capitalism,individual rights, limited government and republicanism(Not to be confused with the party). Simple isn't it?
What I'm against.
Statism,liberals,tribalist's,socialism, collectivism,internationalist's, democracy, altruism, pull-politics and your dreamy possibly zionist driven New World Order.
I dislike democracy because it is just a nice word for socialism, rule of the mob, no matter if they can read or write or have filed bankruptcy, understand what they are voting for or retarded.
Voting is what keeps a republic free and not every tom dick and idiot who doesn't own property or can't read, write, pay bills, or ride in a bus without a helmet doesn't need to vote. If they do you brand it democracy and in a few moments the reality you get is rule by the mob, and shortly after you end up like Rome.
King and his ilk seem to be aligned with the what I'm opposed to section.
So damn be the man who first cries out hold enough some Englishman once said.

[Whitey]

Sysiphus,
Treason or traitors are easily defined in the US Constitution. Artical 3 section 3 defines it as "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhearing to their enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."
So if King was allied with Socialist parties and enemies of the United States who advocated the overthrow and destruction of the Constitution was not king a traitor?
The current elected officials and so on of the last 100 plus years in their constant attacks on the Constitution could as easily be defined as traitors committing treason under that clause as John Walker Lihndt of the Taliban, isn't that right?
I for one don't call for the overthrow of the US government (18 USC s 2385) I unlike them advocate a return to the Constitutional Republic as was outlined by the founding fathers.
They on the other hand combined with special interrest groups seek to change, destroy and manipulate the Constitution and use their office for personal pleasure and gain rather than provide a service to the 3/4 ths majority.
I took a sacred oath to defend the Constitution "...against all enemies foreign and domestic,'----against the inherently evil forces of democracy, socialism, and communism--- does this constitute disloyalty? Hardly, in America we are loyal to one thing, the Constitution, we swear no loyalty to anything including government above this. Government has our loyalty as long as they uphold and rule according to the constitution. This they have seemed to forgotten.
Yes the future does seem grim when the voice of the corporations and minority is heard and acted on over the majority.
Then again in Sharon's own words "America, we own America." post 9/11.
Imagine if Bush said Israel, we own Israel.?
The war in Iraq is illegal, congress did not declare war, Bush even through Executive privilage has elapsed his own prescribed time of 6 months.
Same as Vietnam, ect...
Clinton on back to Wilson all violated the Constitution openly as Lincoln did, yet as long as interrest rates stay low, credit limits are high, everyone will ignore their work, and works of men like King for what it really is, for this is how they judge their freedom. Sadly is eventually we might lose our hegemony, and the credit limit will shrink, the interrest will go high and people will find it is illegal to complain or do anything about it. Then who knows what will happen.
Powel, King as I said before are all self selected enemies of individual freedom and rights, the very thing the Constitution stands for.
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness have degraded down to, Money, Greed and Respect. Sad isn't it?
I have a dream, has turned into a nightmare. Now everyone especially those little white and black children have devolved and emulated the lowest form of gang related stereotypes.
Democracy, rule of the mob, government of the mediocre and the fitting title for the new generations of ghetto bling bling to wear.
Atleast the politicians are taking care of themselves. Just like the officers in the Army.

[Sisyphus]

As far as my philosophy old boy it is simple.
What I am for.
Strict Constitutionalism, isolationism,laissez-faire capitalism,individual rights, limited government and republicanism(Not to be confused with the party). Simple isn't it?
What I'm against.
Statism,liberals,tribalist's,socialism, collectivism,internationalist's, democracy, altruism, pull-politics and your dreamy possibly zionist driven New World Order.

whitey,

Thanks. That's clear. Except that no one, except you, has any idea of what the terms you outline has any concept of what they mean.

I've a confession to make: my last post was paraphrasing Evelyn Waugh in something he wrote that was meant to emphasize the futility of political 'idealogues' who have nowhere to go. It was complete gibberish. There again, I suspect it might have made sense to you.

I suppose Waugh might have been flattered that you felt able to reply - [there again I'm sure he wouldn't] :crazyeyes:

Is there absolutely no possibility you can't bog off to a US site and leave us Brits alone?

I'm hoping to get the technical 'know-how' to copy your posts to some US websites for a considered response on the content.

In the meantime..... this is a website aimed, mainly, at UK Royal Marines and RM hopefuls, plus other interested people.

Why are you here?????? Why aren't you posting your opinions on US Forums? You were, initially, an interesting diversion _ even offering an alternative perspective.........

Now you're just a boring f***ing tw*t.

p.s. Was Quantrill an outstanding Confederate Hero? Or just an almost psychopathic murderer, responsible for the acknowledeged worst atrocity in the American Civil War.

No, hang on. I could hardly bear to read your Eulogy of a callous murderer - who just happened to be a 'Southern Gentlemen'

To repeat my earlier request - can't you please bog off!

[spike]

Colin Powell, Halle berry and Tiger Woods are not black. In the case of 'Tiger' he is three- quarters chinese. Why does the media focus on his part black ancestry ? The other two are of 'mixed race'.

[spike]

Some of the replies on this thread are a bit like my local Royal British Legion branch

[Whitey]

Sysiphus,
I fully understood that this site was RM, and having been also made aware of the lore of the USMC thought that perhaps the brotherhood was real. It appears to be so to some and not so to others.

The US sites are full of Wal-Mart satisfied credit card juggling Walters to be honest. And the ones that aren't are not very active. Most people here are very much like you. Communist, Satan, Good, Bad it doesn't matter as long as they are getting what they want. The Constitution under attack? Who cares lets go eat a big mac, God under attack by the courts, cool now we are our own God! Countries bombed, civilians shelled, they don't care as long as the gas prices stay where they are and larry flint gives them what their wives who are addicted to reality TV can't and won't.

Frankly I think you have me confused with a man who gives a damn what you or the average corporatist thinks.
Bugger off? Well the main reason I hang around is because of Frank and Wholley, Harry and Sticky are good guys. I certianly don't hang around to debate you on if the sky is blue or really purple.

Deo Vindice

[nbforrest]

Seems that sisyphus is inviting you to go back where you came from Whitey.

Bugger off? Is that like? Oh my GAwd does he want you to.. . . . . .?

I went off on a relaxing vacation in Miami. I have a nice tan except for the white circle on my belly where the glass of Jim and coke sat. Even got to eat a big ole mess of stone crabs. I come back and there seems to be some hatefulness going on.

Why are you getting so mad Sis? Whitey used pretty clear terms to say what he believes. He doesn't like Powell. He thinks King was a joke. He articulates what every man in this country raised in a rural area now living in the city understands, most people here don't give a shit as long as they are able to get "stuff". I know the man personally. He was one of the squad leaders in my platoon. The only one I could count on not to frunk things up in my abscence. One of the best medics I ever met. Is he a bit exuberant at times? Yes. His soul is not numbed by the soft glow of the idiot box glowing with make believe joy into the wee hours of the night. He is a man of conviction and honor. I cannot understand your apparent hostility to Whitey or what he says.

Quantrell? Yea, he got outta hand, just a little. watching your house burned and your friends and family murdered might cause you to get a little irrate too. In comparison, there was this guy named Sherman. You want to talk about individuals in the War of Northern agression, I would be more than happy to accomodate that one.

Sorry to interject dude, but man lighten up. Nobody is really pissing in your pint.

[BenChug]

I'm going to have to agree with mr. forest here, whitey although his opinion is far from the British point of view in most regards at least raises the level of debate in the forums and even despite being a simple man such as myself has a element of class which you can't find in a fancy suit. And his posts are far better than some members of this forum such as waitandbleed, and although you can't always see his point of view its mostly cultural, try telling abdul to stop praying to Allah is gonna be just as hard to argue whitey out of his guns and god. By the way whitey are you Catholic or Anglican? if you don't mind me asking.

[Whitey]

I'm going to have to agree with mr. forest here, whitey although his opinion is far from the British point of view in most regards at least raises the level of debate in the forums and even despite being a simple man such as myself has a element of class which you can't find in a fancy suit. And his posts are far better than some members of this forum such as waitandbleed, and although you can't always see his point of view its mostly cultural, try telling abdul to stop praying to Allah is gonna be just as hard to argue whitey out of his guns and god. By the way whitey are you Catholic or Anglican? if you don't mind me asking.
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Ben,
I'm no real denomination, I just believe in God. You got it right about my unpopular culture in multi-cultural Geodessey. I'd rather die than turn my back on the Lord as I know him, or disrespect the bible, violate the Constitution or give up my grand daddys shot gun. Just the way I am. As far as you being British and me being what I am, I acknowledge the difference, but found it hard to understand for a long time. We seem so close on some things and as far away as extra-terrestrial life on others.
The true enemy of freedom in my opinion isn't aristocrats, monarchs, or religion, the enemy of freedom is socialism. The worst of it is because it is so deceptive and it is against God, the state is its God, it answers to it's Godless self to the extent of its own power. Plus unless you get a wordsmith lawyer it seems to not jibe with the Constitution, something I swore to defend until the end. Sysiphus dislikes me and what I say, but hates what I stand for I think. Thats okay with me though. Unlike him wanting to silence me or try to make me look like I don't know what I'm talking about, I wouldn't do that to him. Then again I'm not a liberal whos modus de operandi is to take to that tactic. I understand what he means as well as he understands and has understood what I mean. He is a powerful wordsmith himself and a scholar of philosophy I think. I am a simple man, very simple. And what I stand for is simple, if there is confusion look up the terms on the google dictionary. In Star Wars the good Jedi were few, but in the end these simple but dedicated to the truth beings prevailed. Sometimes the new age mystics are more afraid than appalled that my kind still exist, and what is worse is that we resist.

[Marina]

I did do a little research on the old internet about Charlotte Beers connection with Colin Powell. It was a very interesting and surprising read. I sort of understand Frank S and Whitey's point of view. I do agree (to a certain extent) that Colin Powell and has an excellent and shrewd public relations outlook. Also, the American marketing machine is very crafty in the way it presents the USA abroad so that it can be seen in a positive light from a foreign perspective.

However, I am still not yet convinced that Colin Powell is totally ominous. He may have some flaws but he does have some good qualities like all politicians too. Also, with George Bush Jnr, I personally don’t think he is a really bad person but he has devious advisors.

Whitey, you are not in a good mood these days, and you seem to post cynical and gloomy posts. You give the impression that USA is in a total shambles and I can’t believe that every person involved in government and politics is corrupt, there is some humanity out there, its just a bit harder to find.

It’s a new year. I always try and believe something good will come out of a bad year. I mean, the tragedy of the Bam (Iran) earthquake brought US rescue/aid workers to Iran for the first time in 25 years, certain US sanctions have been lifted against Iran, it’s a positive start isn’t it ?

Try and chill out and apply some Feng Shui to your environment and cheer up.

[Whitey]

Marina,
America is in shambles. The wrecking ball has been swinging for over 100 years. One only has to look outside of Wal-Mart to see this. No, not all of our politicians are corrupt, but more than 3/4 ths are and in America that is all it takes. Even worse is our people have become corrupted in mind and spirit with insatiable greed and new age mystic ideology.

Do I sound down? I'm really not. I'm just a man who has become aware of the current situation and understand it fully.

Powell is fine if you are willing to accept him for what he is once the dirty laundry is out, but make no mistake, no military officer makes it past captian in the US without compromising his intergrity, look where he is now? Where I'm from integrity means alot.Bush is the same way, he claims to be patriotic, but why didn't he use his connections to get into the fight in Vietnam, rather than get out of it? I'm an ex-Sgt. I know when someone is trying to get out of something. Plus why hasn't he or Powell or any of the other politicians sent their Sons or daughters off to the noble and worthy crusade against the Arabs and their combat tactic known as terrorism? So this to me proves their lack of patriotism. American politics are all based on opprotunism I'm sorry to say, and studying Globalization, I'm sorry to say may sound good, but in the end there is no room for people like us in that picture, just a secure lifestyle for the elite.

Altruisim is not my idea of a way to live, simply because outside the realm of dreams it is an evil institution.

Like I said I liked Blair alot, he made a great inspirational speech when our president couldn't make a complete sentence on 9/11. He made it seem like we weren't alone and we'd find these evil bastards and deal with them together. I bought his line, I told people that speech makes you wish you were an Englishman, he'll after that speech I'm sorry to say I didn't feel like a New Yorker (Not that I ever did), but I felt like the English blood I had in me was awakened and ready to follow old Toney to what ever sand box and beat the hell out of any enemy he pointed out on the playground. But then you guys educated me on him, and I felt stupid for having admired the man, and I saw what many hear meant by the word Bliar.

Marina our leaders like a bad commander have lost many of their charges trust. It is so obvious that they are dismantling sacred things to us, and they don't even try to hide it anymore. This is not the country I was born into. This is Bizzaro America, the same but different.

Why is it in chaos? If you look closely enough, not that you have to use a lense, you'll easily see why.