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You seem quite sure of that considering you don't know me, but I imagine that you being one of them I am probably right.

Anyway if you disagree with their stance what are you still doing in the party?

ali_hire wrote:You seem quite sure of that considering you don't know me, but I imagine that you being one of them I am probably right.

Huh?

Anyone make sense of that? Or is it me? Is that the time? Wholley, did Ruthie show you her norks yet?

Night all.

Jayne

Yeah, I know (spoken in Little Britain speak.)

The Labour Party sold its genuine socialist members down the river a long time ago. Ali_G or whatever you call yourself, some of us old stalwarts choose to remain members because we refuse to have our party hi-jacked by Blair and his ilk.

He's done his ten years .... and I am glad to see the back of him.

He was as much a socialist as ..... I can't think who.

A bloody disgrace to the movement!

Artist will tell you. We argue a lot about politics. Ask him what happened to the TV when Blair pontificated about Iraq one night.

The national grid nearly went down!

Jayne

All this shyte about we will not do this or that.
We have had it up here for a year or so now, some eedgit said he would let anybody smoke in his pub if they wanted to.
Good for him, the problem is when the smoking polis come round and catch somebody in his pub with a fag on.
Result, £50 fine for the smoker, £200 fine for the publican.
How long can he keep this up?

flighty wrote:Ruthie show you her norks yet?

Yerse indeed.
Anyhoo back to the point here.
Mr Greenwell has at least taken the time to do a little research on the question of amendments.
Overturning an amendment is incredibly difficult,As he says the only one succesfully overturned is the 18th.Although the socialist Hilary Clinton would like to overturn the 2nd(Provided it dosen't include her bodyguards).
What a lot of people do not realise is the fact that the US is a Presidential Republic,Not a Democracy,The States to a large extent interpret the law as written.Not the Federal Government.
Which is why NC's Supreme Court held the smoking ban as unconstitutional.
I'll sling me hook now as me girlfriend'Stella'Is calling.

Night girls.

flighty wrote:...some of us old stalwarts choose to remain members because we refuse to have our party hi-jacked by Blair and his ilk...

Good to hear, honestly. I wasn't trying to have a pop at you, just genuinely interested to hear an insiders viewpoint.

flighty wrote:...Ali_G or whatever you call yourself...

Lets not get childish now, my screen name is my real name thanks.

We can stop falling out when you accept that I speak as an insider.

I pay my monthly dues .... as much as it grieves me .... in the hope that we will regain some socialist values.

Blair has gone and good bloody riddance! Maybe the Autumn conference will put some spark back into a lack-lustre, flabby agenda.

Jayne x

flighty wrote:We can stop falling out when you accept that I speak as an insider.

I did from the get go. But that doesn't mean that we can't have differing opinions.

What gets me about the ban is the principal of Choice being removed. We all know the health risks, I've smoked for ten years and hate myself for it and will at some point find the motivation to give up for more than a month or two, but that's another story.

The point is, whilst tobacco is legal, people should have a right to choose where and when to use it. I have no objection to establishments saying right, we're not going to allow smokers, or having separate areas. Then all the none-smokers who really are bothered by it can go to those establishments. But really, who here has ever said "No, I'm not going there tonight, it's full of smoke?" As to the argument of my clothes stink after a night out or a night working the door, surely your clothes go straight in the wash after either anyhow?! (Stand down Perce )

Anyhow, in that way none smoking venues would be available and the freedom of Choice would be preserved. Smoking is an ancient tradition and many people still find it extremely sociable - how many people do you know who only smoke 'socially' in the pub or at a barbeque; I know many. Now the government's decided that's a thing of the past. Nipping outside for a quick one while out on the piss will keep the addicts from having seizures, but it won't appease those who enjoy a cigar or cigarette as part of their night.

I could go on, but you get the idea...of course none-smokers will be happy as it means they can now go anywhere, but what's wrong with a system of some smoking venues and some none-smoking so that everyone makes the Choice that best suits them?

ali_hire wrote:
I did from the get go. But that doesn't mean that we can't have differing opinions.

I have differing opinions from most on here. Such is life.

Mine's a large one. With ice.

Friends?

Jayne x

Of course.

That's what make us all great though, it's a cliche but if everyone was the same we'd be very boring.

Group hug.