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Right, where in that article does it say that they are wanting to call themselves commandos without having done the course?

The following simply states that they are excited about joining the brigade and are wanting to become a fully trained commando battalion:

Soldiers from the Devon and Dorsets and the Royal Gloucestershire, Berkshire and Wiltshire Light Infantry are already conducting extra physical training in preparation to become part of the Royal Marines tough 3 Commando Brigade, which at its core has three formations of about 550 men each.

The battalion's officers and men have been unable to hide their excitement at joining the commando brigade but they will be disappointed at the role the Marines have proposed for them.

Under plans seen by The Daily Telegraph, the wartime role of 1 Rifles will be to protect rear head quarters and supply depots and guard prisoners of war. At best they will be allowed to defend a port or oil refinery after it has been stormed by Marines in helicopters or assault landing craft.

"There is the option of them coming across as fully fledged commandos with the same kind of equipment and training as us," a senior Marine officer said.

"But it's a non-starter as the Army don't have the right calibre of people to do that and we don't have the capacity or space to train a battalion of 600 men."

"Our view is to get stuck in and become commandos but the Navy seem to have rather backward approach where they see them as poor second cousins who will free up the commandos to go off and do special operations," an Army source said.

It also states that it is the Navy/Marines stopping them from becoming commando trained due to lack of facilities.

As stated before: No one should hold the title commando unless they have passed the course. However all the Telegraph article say is that due to cost/overstreact they will not be commando trained and landed with all the shite jobs/tours, and this has somewhat rightly left the Regiments displeased.

Question: Why haven't D&D & RGBW been converting over and shifting men in and out of the said battalions long before now in attempt to produce a battalion capable of becoming commando trained? If they were commando trained before they were due to join the brigade this wouldn't even be an issue.

Artist or any other Marine, Do Fleet Protection have to be commando trained, I understand they have to be Marines? If not would it be possible to re-roll 43 back into 3 brigade and raise some sort of Royal Marine light infantry battalion (could even rebadge an existing Army unit) to cover fleet protection?

I think you will find that COMMANDO thinks R M s do a different harder commando course than the all arms course,perhaps Artist could clear this up.
I was under the impression that ALL commando courses were run by RMs who would not let anyone sub standard gain said green lid.
Sadly this is no longer true in AB forces NON AIRBORNE troops are given Maroon beret on being posted BASTARDS.
Happens in that welsh place to Green Slime not sabre get given sandy top,normally seen round town with fancy watches puffa jackets mirrowed shades .
Not that you can,t tell the DICK sticking out off thier foreheads is a dead givaway.

Niel 1955 this has always been the case even 50 years ago, they were nicknamed penguins

Neil 1955, i've seen an aacc down on the bottom field and i garuntee that they get it just as harsd as us, however their was alot who didn't deserve to be their. The USMC were even worse.

edit - sorry about the spelling, totaly shiters.

CrouchmasterT wrote:Neil 1955, i've seen an aacc down on the bottom field and i garuntee that they get it just as harsd as us, however their was alot who didn't deserve to be their. The USMC were even worse.

edit - sorry about the spelling, totaly shiters.

Love it come in off the piss shit faced I fall asleep in a heap Crouchmaster however takes the time to answer a post from a pongo good on yer, my veiw on this is simple as in airborne if you have done the course and passed you are one of the Brotherhood no matter what cap badge,religon,colour,tall,short ,even GINGER if you have your wings you are one of us,so if you pass the all arms course you are a commando.
COMMANDO needs to realise these people have been selected by someone else they did not choose to be put in this predicament.
As a young Paratrooper in the 70s I was just as pig headed thought no one was as good as us, but i did selection alongside craphats of all descriptions even ex marines (you had to leave the navy and join the army in those days) some were shite but some were very good, my first sqn s/maj was an ex bootneck...

Just one thing....i think there is definatly a certain bond with Para reg though. If a man has got his wings, yes i have some respect for him. But i still feel that they are not part of the "brotherhood", as i only belive this applies to parachute regiment.

Pig headed? Me? NO!

Present Boss at 23 is ex Bootneck what is the world coming to

This is turning into a thread similar to one I read on an American board. It had to do with who is, and who isn't, a "real' ranger.

The folks who had served in the 75th Ranger Regiment reserved the title for themselves and would not consider a mere Ranger School graduate to be a real ranger. They said the Ranger Scroll (unit patch) was a "way of life" and the Ranger Tab (qualification patch) was "just a school."

The gist of it was that real rangers have the Ranger Tab, but not everyone with a Ranger Tab is a real ranger. You needed to complete the school and a tour in the regiment for that.

Of course the people who were only school graduates saw it different, to say the least!

Blimey!

I haver never said that non RM's are crap. I've worked with non RM's Green lidded, Maroon Lidded and bog standard lidde

Mostly they were good at their respective jobs. I make a point of not being an Anal retentive "Bootnecks rule and the rest stink" sort of bloke.

I was one of the instructors on the AACC. Both Pre course and the full monty and yes some were crap but most were blokes with the will and the common dog to hack the course as they knew just what that Green lid could get for them.

But this talk of an entire Army Commando run along the lines of an RM Commando is as I have said before wrong. Whats the point of joining the RM's and doing 32 weeks of hard training when you can take the easy option. 12 weeks basic Infantry training and then 6 weeks Cdo training.

It bloody stinks and devalues the Commando Spirit as far as I'm concerned.

Neil1955. Ref the Malayan Scouts. Yes agree 100% it was the catalyst that made people realise that a full time SAS regiment was a rather good idea. Had a couple of SAS blokes on my Snipers course (don't know what their previous unit was, didn't ask) and they were switched on kiddies. I've also worked with both the SAS and the SBS and they were decent blokes who I really enjoyed working with because they knew their onions.

Further: Also did the Para Course in the seventies as I was a Recce Troop bod whenever I served in Cdo Units and at that time I was a Signals Rating.

Artist

Artist wrote:Whats the point of joining the RM's and doing 32 weeks of hard training when you can take the easy option. 12 weeks basic Infantry training and then 6 weeks Cdo training.

It bloody stinks and devalues the Commando Spirit as far as I'm concerned.

I completely agree here. We have similar cases of guys joining a "hat" unit and then transferring. All they have to pass is 3 weeks of P-company and they are in the reg. No 26 weeks of beastings all through depot, just p-coy.

But what can we do about it....not much

Paratrooper1.....Before you climb on your high horse about the training for the paras, remember that it was not until the mid 1950's did the Para's start to train there own men. Before this date every single paratrooper came from an infantry regiment first and then did the P Course. Are you now saying that all those the fought through out WW2 ad every action up to and past Suez was not up to standard of what you would expect a paratrooper to be.

I have every respect for the men who fought in our regiment since the day it was formed.

I am on about firstly people taking the "easy way in" and avoiding doing the 26 week basic training in catterick, and secondly about the attatched units thinking they are mega just because they have been given a maroon beret on loan simply because their unit has been given an "airborne role".

They say that all infantry training follows the same syllabus, and everyone gets taught exactly the same and the line regiments think we are the same as them the only difference being we can jump out of planes...now both you and i know this isnt true Tab.

I know someone who is in an airborne unit, wears a maroon lid and his wings, but hasnt done PCoy (Has been to Brize though)

Now that surely is wrong. Wasnt calling you Shirley!

Last time I was in the Sergants Mess at 1 Para I even danced with a sergeant, mind you she was gorgeous and was in charge Admin there, now she was attached to Regiment and wore their colours

[quote="Artist"]Blimey!

Further: Also did the Para Course in the seventies as I was a Recce Troop bod whenever I served in Cdo Units and at that time I was a Signals Rating.

Did my first para course in the 70s Abingdon no 1 PTS went out of date refresher Brize Norton 80s APJI course 1990 Brize Norton, German and Yank, as well along the way (I just liked thier badges), I also carried an A41 set (kin eavy bassas) then PRC320 then lots of " GUCCHI kit ", but allways prefered my GPMG .You cant beat a bit of heavy metal 7.62 style.