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theres nothing wrong with the normal protein supplements as long as it doesnt have the hardcore bits added in and it should say that on the ingredients list.

I don't use creatine as it costs a lot of money, makes you think you've gained loads of lean muscle, so you stop it for a month then all that 'muscle' disappears. Because it's water. Not muscle.

I would like to clear something up though:

There is NO conclusive proof that creatine leads to any sort of kindney problems, cancer or any other body related issues for that matter.

There is also NO conclusive proof that creatine does not cause any of the afore mentioned issues.

Clear as mud eh? There has been very little research done into creatine at all, and when you consider that it is one the most researched supplements used by weight lifters and sometimes athletes it all starts to become a little frightening.

You don't need creatine for basic training so why use it? The programme is specifically designed to take the average civvy and gradually (<- key word) build you into a very fit soldier. I'd hazard a guess that CTCRM know more about training properly and safely than quite a few athletic establishments in the UK.

I will say this for creatine though when I've used it I've gone 4 or 5 days in the loading stage without crapping once. That's not normal.

For Jimbob and the other protein fiend - You say yourself that you can get a heap of protein from powdered milk so why waste your money on all the other crap? Do you both realise that once your body has taken in it's daily limit of protein it will turn any excess into waste - that means a big steaming turd.

After 4 large carb and protein filled meals (those crafty lads at CTCRM really do know what they're doing) I think drinking two protein shakes on top would leave you spending 90% of your 32 weeks sitting in the head.

Creatine (C) joins with phosphate (P), to make phosphocreatine (PC), which is the first stage of the energy continuum. Each time one of these phosphocreatine (PC) bonds gets broken (through movement) the phosphate (P) and creatine (C) break apart and make energy.

Then the (P) and (C) need to join back together to create more movement. So basically what creatine shakes do is make more creatine (C) float around in your body making re-synthesis with phosphate (P) easier, which means you stay in this stage of the energy continuum for longer, thus pushing lactic acid threshold back. However this is only effective for up to a max of about 20 seconds (so basically sprint work) it won’t do anything for endurance.

Sounds complicated but if you read through it again it’s pretty easy to understand.

I don’t think it is bad for your liver, the only reason I can think behind this is because glucose is stored in the liver and may have an effect on your natural release of creatine, and if you putting more in your body might think there is enough going around so keeps it all stored up. I think this will only happen though if you go beyond the recommended dose.

i didn't mean that the creatine itself made my buddy fat, it was his diet but the doctor told him it was a mixture of the suppliments he was taking and his poor diet.

Anyways aside from that, i use multi vitamens, anyone else use them? i find they are good just for getting some extra vitamins and minerals into your body incase you happen to not get it with your ordinary diet.

I always thought creatine was a naturally occouring substance and not a drug as such but it would be good to get the official view from the x's like SO19 or Artist on if you can officially take it?

Never used it myself, as I am quite bulky anyway, but I used to use some recovery drinks in the past after training.

letsrole wrote:Creatine (C) joins with phosphate (P), to make phosphocreatine (PC), which is the first stage of the energy continuum. Each time one of these phosphocreatine (PC) bonds gets broken (through movement) the phosphate (P) and creatine (C) break apart and make energy.

Then the (P) and (C) need to join back together to create more movement. So basically what creatine shakes do is make more creatine (C) float around in your body making re-synthesis with phosphate (P) easier, which means you stay in this stage of the energy continuum for longer, thus pushing lactic acid threshold back. However this is only effective for up to a max of about 20 seconds (so basically sprint work) it won’t do anything for endurance.

Sounds complicated but if you read through it again it’s pretty easy to understand.

I don’t think it is bad for your liver, the only reason I can think behind this is because glucose is stored in the liver and may have an effect on your natural release of creatine, and if you putting more in your body might think there is enough going around so keeps it all stored up. I think this will only happen though if you go beyond the recommended dose.

Damn you letsrole you beat me to it!

Sonne

mfat_man wrote:I always thought creatine was a naturally occouring substance and not a drug as such but it would be good to get the official view from the x's like SO19 or Artist on if you can officially take it?

Never used it myself, as I am quite bulky anyway, but I used to use some recovery drinks in the past after training.

I think we've all used those, sometimes your just so wiped yuu need a good drink/bar

Now you may think "how hard can it be?" but i think you will find that you wont have the time or the desire to fark around with little tablets and or putting powder in wet's or whatever it is during training, you will have a million other things to be concentring on and to be getting squared away. When its pishing down with rain and blowing a nice little storm on woodbury or wherever, and your trying to get your admin sorted, that will be the last thing on your mind. As far as i,m aware you have to have been taking this kind of stuff, for a fair while and religiously for it to be working anyway and this wont happen at CTC...well thats what my troop were told anyway in a sick bay or nutrition lecture of some kind. Plus its been said somewhere above, you really dont need it,there is plenty of everything you need provided for you.You will be well fed......at dutchy,s.

Dwarfy,

A couple of years back I decided I wanted a bit more muscle and looked into these. I started to use the N-Large 2 supplement along with some creatine now and again.

The idea was extra weight via muscle, My start weight was around 14.6 stones, I exercised for a few weeks and was down to about 14.2 stones before I started going to the gym and using N-Large, 3-4 times per week (3 portions per day). After about 8 weeks My weight was around 15 stones, maybe a little more. I then stopped due to a uni summer break.

My experience was OK and I loved the vanilla flavour shakes, but I can't say for sure if the extra weight and muscle I gained was from the protein suppplements or just me eating more and working out. But as people have mentioned there is lots of other stuff in the shake that's good for you, I have always had a pretty bad and lazy diet.

I was sure I'd seen this talked about somewhere else before.

http://www.mfat.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6406

jimbob wrote:(there is about 17g of protein in a full can of tuna)

Depends how big the can is! Mine are 37.2g per can...

Unless your tuna is 90% ash, might be the cheap stuff..

Hankins wrote:Anyways aside from that, i use multi vitamens, anyone else use them? i find they are good just for getting some extra vitamins and minerals into your body incase you happen to not get it with your ordinary diet.

I tend to throw a couple of Vitamin C pills down my neck most mornings. I know for a fact I'm going over recommended doses, but I also know that since I started taking them, I've had no colds, where normally I would have had three or four. The one time I thought I was coming down with something, my body fought it off far quicker then normal, so I didn't even get round to feeling properly ill. Although there is a recommended dose of Vit C, when you're actually ill your body goes throught the stuff at a much faster rate, so figure a bit of a 'stockpile' of Vit C can't hurt.

For the other vitamins, I reckon my diet just about covers them, but if I feel 'flat' more than two days in a row I take a multivit pill, which seems to pep me up.

Deadhead (and the other guy talking about vit c) Iv been taking them to recover from my illness and they have worked wonders. I was on the 1000mg but now im on the 500mg as iv come down a dose. You can have too much vitamin C in your body, it increases the likelihood of caner (if you take them for a very long time and overuse them) and can make your eyes turn yellow because there is so much vitamin C in the body your body has nowhere to store it. E.g the 1000g tablets are the equivalent of about 40 oranges a day... now that cant be good for you? I'm looking to come off them within the next two/three weeks.

Vit C is indeed water soluble. I took those Berroca (sp?) tablets for a while, and found the excessive amounts of vitamins turned my urine fluorescent yellow/green. Got quite a shock when I first noticed that.