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An e-mail from a friend



The following is the transcript of an ACTUAL radio conversation that took

place in October 1995, between a US Navy ship off the coast of England,
and some British authority. The transcript was released by the MoD.


BRITS: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the South, to avoid a
collision.

AMERICANS: Recommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the North, to
avoid a collision.

BRITS: Negative. You will have to divert your course 15 degrees to the
South to avoid a collision.

AMERICANS: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR
course.

BRITS: Negative. I say again. You will have to divert your course.

AMERICANS: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS LINCOLN, THE SECOND
LARGEST SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES' ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY
THREE DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS, AND NUMEROUS SUPPORT VESSELS. I DEMAND
THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH. THAT'S 15 DEGREES NORTH, OR
COUNTER MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THIS SHIP.

BRITS: We are a lighthouse. f@#k off



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Post by Gary_amsterdam »

LOL AHAHHAHAHA
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Post by Jason The Argonaut »

If that's true RobT, then what a prick, how did he become Captain of the second largest ship in the US Navy.

That's if it's true :o
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Ermmm I think you'll find it was a Canadian Lighthouse!
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Post by Smilie-man'81 »

Is it true then?
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Sticky Blue wrote:Ermmm I think you'll find it was a Canadian Lighthouse!
That sound's more like the truth, I can't remember the last time the US navy came any where near Britain. :-?
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Post by Andy O'Pray »

That was an old, old story and Sticks is right, it was a Canadian lighthouse and I don't even know if the story is true.

Aye - Andy. :o
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Post by RobT »

I've never heard the story before and I wasn't trying to pass it off as true in the first place. I just posted it because it was an amusing read. Edit it if your that bothered that it was Canadians.

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I've heard that before as well.
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I don't but it unless the Captian of the said Naval Armada was plain stupid. I know we on my ARG had refused to deviate before from our course due to the complexity of the communication and coordination. As I remember law of the sea says the bigger boat has right of way, and if in national waters it is common sense that they have permission and it is easier for a smaller vessel to move rather than move 12 ships and 2 submarines at once. I'd say prepare for collision. Plus what kind of friends do you intend to make with us by accusing us of being arrogant and stupid? I guess you'd rather chum with France and the European Union. I could mention things that the Brits have done that was foolish and arrogant, where do you think we learned it from brother?
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Post by Wholley »

Would the Navigating Officer not have known it was a lighthouse?
Or the Officer of the Watch,or the Radar op.Or a Bridge lookout?
Sounds like simple pointless American bashing to me.This is an old old fairy tale and yes it was the Canadians.
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Whitey wrote:I don't but it unless the Captian of the said Naval Armada was plain stupid. I know we on my ARG had refused to deviate before from our course due to the complexity of the communication and coordination. As I remember law of the sea says the bigger boat has right of way, and if in national waters it is common sense that they have permission and it is easier for a smaller vessel to move rather than move 12 ships and 2 submarines at once. I'd say prepare for collision. Plus what kind of friends do you intend to make with us by accusing us of being arrogant and stupid? I guess you'd rather chum with France and the European Union. I could mention things that the Brits have done that was foolish and arrogant, where do you think we learned it from brother?
europe rules, only a matter of time before you lot get kicked off the throne :D
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Whitey,

All nations and people can be foolish and arrogant from time to time, but if you put aside you patriotism for a second it’s actually quite a humourous yarn, which I think was the intention.

And a boat under sail has the right of way I think, but having been caught in the wash of a few freighters while sailing, I’m not sure as a rule it’s really that practical. :D
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When in doubt, check snopes.com...

http://www.snopes.com/military/lighthse.htm

The
story of the self-important aircraft carrier captain getting his well-earned comeuppance at the hands of a plain-speaking lighthouse has been making the rounds on the Internet since early 1996. Most writeups purport to be transcripts of a 1995 conversation between a ship and a lighthouse as documented by Chief of Naval Operations.

It ain't true. Not only does the Navy disclaim it, the anecdote shows up in a 1992 collection of jokes and tall tales. Worse, it appears in Stephen Covey's 1989 The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People, and he got it from a 1987 issue of Proceedings, a publication of the U.S. Naval Institute.

It's likely far older than that, because another reader mentioned he saw it passed around as a photocopied joke in the late 1960s while serving aboard either the USS Dixie or USS Truxtun. That certainly agrees with the opinion of Navy sources (as quoted in the news article later on this page); they place the story as being thirty or forty years old.

Slightly different versions name different ships as the one which unwillingly gained a lesson in the unimportance of self importance. Having debunked this tale a few times themselves, the Navy has a web page about this legend, one that answers what three of the commonly cited ships were doing at the time this supposedly occurred.

The Navy's take on this crazy bit of faxlore is contained in the following 1996 newspaper article:


The source of that story, which the Navy swears is untrue, is not known. It's a joke that has been floating around for at least 10 years, and maybe 30 to 40 years. Some think it originated in a humor column in Reader's Digest. Nobody knows for sure.
But for the past four months the story of the ship and the lighthouse has been passed along, as gospel, by comedy talk-show hosts, lazy newspaper columnists and clueless cyberspace jockies until it has taken on an air of the apocryphal. It clings to Navy lore like that old captain from "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner." And, like Coleridge's haunted captain, the Navy is having a real tough time getting this albatross off its neck.

This week the story was repeated by The New York Times News Service, quoting a Canadian newspaper. Last week it was read to a global radio audience on Michael Feldman's popular Whad'ya Know? program on Public Radio International. Earlier, the same network's Car Talk program aired the tale.

In the story's current form, the ship is identified as the carrier Enterprise. In the past it involved a battleship. A version that arrived via e-mail in Norfolk this week from the U.S. Air Force Academy identified it as the "aircraft carrier Missouri." There is no such carrier. The Missouri is a retired battleship.

Various versions carry little embellishments. An amateur-radio buff communicating via the Internet said it happened in Puget Sound. A columnist in the Montreal Gazette said it happened last fall off the coast of Newfoundland. A columnist in North Carolina quoted a local man as saying it happened off the Carolinas.

"It's a totally bogus story, but over the last four months we've gotten at least 12, maybe 18 calls from different media sources trying to confirm that," said Cmdr. Kevin Wensing, an Atlantic Fleet spokesman in Norfolk. "Unfortunately, some of them don't check it out. They just repeat it.

"The first time I heard of it was - oh, let's see, how long - about 10 years ago or so, I think. "That story's so old," Wensing said, "it probably started out back in the galleon days, or back when there was a big lighthouse at Alexandria, Egypt."

Dutifully, when all those reports about the carrier Enterprise began to surface, the Navy had to follow procedures and check it out.

"Yes, we talked to the Enterprise," Wensing said. "It was like, "We've heard this story and we're pretty sure that it's without basis. . . . And their reaction was, 'What? You can't be serious.' "

For the record, Adm. Mike Boorda, the chief of naval operations, released no such transcript on Oct. 10. Or any other time, said Cmdr. John Carman, a spokesman for the admiral. "It's a joke," Carman said, chuckling in disbelief. "And not only that, I've been told it's a real old joke. Like 30 to 40 years ago, that old."

Of the many flaws in the recent version, the most glaring is that there is no longer a radio crew - or any crew, for that matter - on any lighthouse on the U.S. coastline. The last one was automated 10 years ago, said Lt. j.g. Ed Westfall, the lighthouse program manager for the U.S. Coast Guard's Fifth District, based in Portsmouth.

Westfall said he, too, had heard the story for years, but he had a different understanding of its origin.

"I always thought," he said, "it was just something one of us Coasties had made up to poke fun at the Navy."

Barbara "what, the Village People didn't do a good enough job?" Mikkelson

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Last updated: 23 September 2002


Now kiss and make up, mwa-mwa...

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Post by Andy O'Pray »

Well done Frank S. you always research the facts and keep us on the straight and narrow. A suggestion to, not only Rob T, if we could put a bit of thought into the subject title prior to opening a new thread, then perhaps we could avoid upsetting anyone. "Arrogant Yanks" was not a good one, perhaps a different subject title would have been met with the humour as it was intended.

As Frank S. says. Let's kiss and make up.

Aye - Andy. :drinking:
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