This method is called a rush escape and is still taught at SETT the equivilant of this is the 9 and 18 metre free ascents. This is used to escape from a submarine in a rush (as the name implies) where as the controlled escape in a survival suit is for when the submarine is in trouble ie stuck on the bottom but the crew are safe. and wait to the last possible moment to escape ie when a rescue ship has made contact. A very unlikly situation really as in most circumstances where escape would be required if ie collision or getting hit in action most of the crew would be no-where near the escape compartments to do any kind of escape.
PS sorry about all the ie's.
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Christ, I can't say I'm particulaly looking forward to SETT - by comparison to have to escape like that, well the very thought is browning my trousers. That said, I suppose needs must and all of that - better than sitting around and waiting for the inevitable.
Doc, please accept my apologies. I can only bow to the greater wisdom of others. Could you let me know how the ATACC goes - I've already asked the RN if they fund ATLS places (given the ridiculous waiting list) and they insisted that their course was adequate, whilst not providing a very definite answer. However, it's always nice to have an accredited qual.
Adrian
Doc, please accept my apologies. I can only bow to the greater wisdom of others. Could you let me know how the ATACC goes - I've already asked the RN if they fund ATLS places (given the ridiculous waiting list) and they insisted that their course was adequate, whilst not providing a very definite answer. However, it's always nice to have an accredited qual.
Adrian
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Will do mate, manual arrived this morning with a mighty "clump" on the door mat! The in-house ATLS derived I think from a few of us medics going upto Stoke in the mid-nineties to do their course. Expensive it was so in true pusser style someone rewrote the manual and called themselves an instructor and hey presto theres now an in-house course.
Maybe Im too cynical and just possibly they have got a decent course nowadays, I may also have the wrong end of the stick but it seemed strange that no-one after us went up there to do it. You could get intouch with the INM in Gosport, they do lots of courses , I went there for a cold enviroment update once, looking at frozen digits etc. Im sure I saw a few failed ratings from Raleigh in pens out the back getting jabbed with big needles!
Maybe Im too cynical and just possibly they have got a decent course nowadays, I may also have the wrong end of the stick but it seemed strange that no-one after us went up there to do it. You could get intouch with the INM in Gosport, they do lots of courses , I went there for a cold enviroment update once, looking at frozen digits etc. Im sure I saw a few failed ratings from Raleigh in pens out the back getting jabbed with big needles!
It's the Americans for you! The Americal College of Surgeons own the course and charge a bomb for the manuals and things. Any attempt to do a variation on it and they're on to you like a tonne of bricks.
I heard a rumour they were thinking of updating the manual though - for the first time in nearly ten years!!
I heard a rumour they were thinking of updating the manual though - for the first time in nearly ten years!!
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I've done SETT many times. It is actually a quite pleasurable experiance! You are in very warm water! You are guided throught the escape drills by very experienced instructors who guide you through the various stages. If you don't "breathe out" during your ascent you will be punched in the stomach by an instructor. (as OMSSMretd. said.) Believe me, this will make you breathe out!"!
SETT is nothing to worry about.
Sneaky
I've done SETT many times. It is actually a quite pleasurable experiance! You are in very warm water! You are guided throught the escape drills by very experienced instructors who guide you through the various stages. If you don't "breathe out" during your ascent you will be punched in the stomach by an instructor. (as OMSSMretd. said.) Believe me, this will make you breathe out!"!
SETT is nothing to worry about.
Sneaky
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Hi Dickie
To answer your question, yes you can join the submarine service as a warfare officer, they do the same job as warfare officers on suface ships but obviously on submarines and will be trained accordingly.
I would imagine as far as specialisations go, there would only be Principle Warfare Officers if you were to specialise in the other two areas you would have to leave the submarines behind!
Penne
To answer your question, yes you can join the submarine service as a warfare officer, they do the same job as warfare officers on suface ships but obviously on submarines and will be trained accordingly.
I would imagine as far as specialisations go, there would only be Principle Warfare Officers if you were to specialise in the other two areas you would have to leave the submarines behind!
Penne
Potential Officers Submarine Acquaint Visit
I went up to HMS Neptune, on HMNB Clyde, Faslane,between Wed & Fri. We had to arrive by 1700, and meet up with the hosting ACLOs at 1800 to have a quick brief, regarding safety. ID, rig etc. This was followed by dinner, then an evening in the wardroom bar.
The 2 ACLOs were both former ratings, both engineers (I think weapons), so were very capable of answering most of our questions fully.
Thursday:
Breakfast was at 0700
0830 - 0900 Formal introduction to the visit, and reiteration of the itinerary.
0900 - 1000 SM Introduction
Powerpoint presentation on the sub service and the main officer career options
1000 - 1200 Visit Veracity/VSCOT/Trident Training Facility
Basically these are simulators of various submarine departments, allowing staff to train on them. All contain exactly the same kit as the subs. TTF is again a facility in which servicemen can train, but the focus is geared solely towards the Vanguard class boats and Trident missiles. It's huge, filled with busloads of expensive equipment, and really interesting. You also get shown a short video on our nuclear deterrent - very corny with it's patriotism coupled with a ridiculous soundtrack, but it certainly makes its point.
1200 - 1345 Break for lunch
1345 - 1530 Royal Naval Fitness Test followed by sport. The RNFT is just the bleep test, just to give those who haven't had the pleasure of one before a taste of it. This was followed by some 5-a-side football. Just a note of caution, you are informed of what is required of you to pass whilst in service, and the consequences if you fail. Quite a few blokes came well under (I'm short and fat and managed it, so was quite surprised). The hosting ACLO was quite polite about it, but he reiterated time and again how important fitness is. He pointed out how embarrassing it would be, and how it would undermine authority, for an officer to fail the RNFT, particularly given that is isn't really difficult.
1530 - 1730 Small arms trainer/baton training
Unfortunately the SAT was undergoing some maintainence so instead we received a taster of baton training. Taught by a Chief PO it was actually quite good fun.
1730 - 1900 Dinner
1900 - 2000 Visit to submarine
We were quite lucky as HMS Vigilant was in dock. It is really impressive, starting with the 2 marines patrolling on top of the sub. Inside we had a tour of the sub, and spoke to the few men who were on there on watch. It's quite difficult to describe what it is like on board - at least as cramped as you imagine!
After this it was back to the wardroom bar, where we spoke with a few of the officers, predominantly warfare and engineers. Alas, not an MO to be found,and the MA on watch was busy playing on the laptop!
Friday - basic debrief in the morning, just to see if the RN could alter the course to make it better, then transport to the train station.
It is well worth getting yourself on one of these acquaints if you can, even if you're not particularly keen on the submarine service. Then you will have an experience base allowing you to discuss why you wouldn't go sub service at the AIB. That said, they informed us that they do run an acquaint for junior officers for those who are still unsure whilst at BRNC.
I thoroughly enjoyed myself throughout, everyone is really friendly and helpful, and the food is superb!
Hope this helps,
Adrian
I went up to HMS Neptune, on HMNB Clyde, Faslane,between Wed & Fri. We had to arrive by 1700, and meet up with the hosting ACLOs at 1800 to have a quick brief, regarding safety. ID, rig etc. This was followed by dinner, then an evening in the wardroom bar.
The 2 ACLOs were both former ratings, both engineers (I think weapons), so were very capable of answering most of our questions fully.
Thursday:
Breakfast was at 0700
0830 - 0900 Formal introduction to the visit, and reiteration of the itinerary.
0900 - 1000 SM Introduction
Powerpoint presentation on the sub service and the main officer career options
1000 - 1200 Visit Veracity/VSCOT/Trident Training Facility
Basically these are simulators of various submarine departments, allowing staff to train on them. All contain exactly the same kit as the subs. TTF is again a facility in which servicemen can train, but the focus is geared solely towards the Vanguard class boats and Trident missiles. It's huge, filled with busloads of expensive equipment, and really interesting. You also get shown a short video on our nuclear deterrent - very corny with it's patriotism coupled with a ridiculous soundtrack, but it certainly makes its point.
1200 - 1345 Break for lunch
1345 - 1530 Royal Naval Fitness Test followed by sport. The RNFT is just the bleep test, just to give those who haven't had the pleasure of one before a taste of it. This was followed by some 5-a-side football. Just a note of caution, you are informed of what is required of you to pass whilst in service, and the consequences if you fail. Quite a few blokes came well under (I'm short and fat and managed it, so was quite surprised). The hosting ACLO was quite polite about it, but he reiterated time and again how important fitness is. He pointed out how embarrassing it would be, and how it would undermine authority, for an officer to fail the RNFT, particularly given that is isn't really difficult.
1530 - 1730 Small arms trainer/baton training
Unfortunately the SAT was undergoing some maintainence so instead we received a taster of baton training. Taught by a Chief PO it was actually quite good fun.
1730 - 1900 Dinner
1900 - 2000 Visit to submarine
We were quite lucky as HMS Vigilant was in dock. It is really impressive, starting with the 2 marines patrolling on top of the sub. Inside we had a tour of the sub, and spoke to the few men who were on there on watch. It's quite difficult to describe what it is like on board - at least as cramped as you imagine!
After this it was back to the wardroom bar, where we spoke with a few of the officers, predominantly warfare and engineers. Alas, not an MO to be found,and the MA on watch was busy playing on the laptop!
Friday - basic debrief in the morning, just to see if the RN could alter the course to make it better, then transport to the train station.
It is well worth getting yourself on one of these acquaints if you can, even if you're not particularly keen on the submarine service. Then you will have an experience base allowing you to discuss why you wouldn't go sub service at the AIB. That said, they informed us that they do run an acquaint for junior officers for those who are still unsure whilst at BRNC.
I thoroughly enjoyed myself throughout, everyone is really friendly and helpful, and the food is superb!
Hope this helps,
Adrian
Sorry, forgot to add:
Dickie, you can join the sub service as a warfare officer. The ACLOs said that although Warfare was a very popular branch choice, Warfare (SM) was relatively undersubscribed. They told us that Warfare (SM) is quite difficult, with lots of rapid thinking and mental arithmetic, reflecting that only Warfare officers can command subs (a point which apparently the Warfare officers love to reiterate to the WEOs). However, you can only command a sub once you have passed the Perisher course, which currently has a pass rate of approx. 40%. And you only get one crack at it. Fail it and you're out of the sub service.
As for the other branch, I'm afraid I can't help you on that one - sorry.
Adrian
Dickie, you can join the sub service as a warfare officer. The ACLOs said that although Warfare was a very popular branch choice, Warfare (SM) was relatively undersubscribed. They told us that Warfare (SM) is quite difficult, with lots of rapid thinking and mental arithmetic, reflecting that only Warfare officers can command subs (a point which apparently the Warfare officers love to reiterate to the WEOs). However, you can only command a sub once you have passed the Perisher course, which currently has a pass rate of approx. 40%. And you only get one crack at it. Fail it and you're out of the sub service.
As for the other branch, I'm afraid I can't help you on that one - sorry.
Adrian
