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European Elections

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Who will you vote for:-

a> Labour
1
2%
b> Conservative
6
15%
c> Lib Dem
0
No votes
d> UK Independence Party
17
41%
e> BNP
11
27%
f> Scots/Welsh Nationalists
0
No votes
g> Other
3
7%
h> Undecided
3
7%
 
Total votes: 41

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#16 Post by Spannerman »

may18 wrote:
Spannerman wrote:European Elections

Do you think the influence of euro 200 (increased flag waving etc)
will help the UKIP?.

Ive voted tory all my life ..but im tempted towards UKIP

Not the BNP though to be honest..
I've voted Tory for the past 44 years, just don't want to see the same old lot in power, I want to see a radical re-think in British Politics. Many people of my generation want to see a change, including my barber and he's older than me!

The essential thing is MAY that you cast your vote, you do your thing mate and those that don't vote in the European Elections don't moan afterwards because you didn't vote. June the 10th is 4 days after D Day but it is also Decision Day for the nations future, read the manifestos and cast your vote accordingly.

As for the flags, the Union Flag would be the thing to fly really in the Euro Elections but as the Scots and Welsh are very nationalistic it is nice to see the Cross of St. George being raised aloft for a change. There is nothing racist in this it is OUR Nations flag and patriotism ought to fly like the Norwegians, the Americans and the Swiss do.

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#17 Post by BenChug »

Boys and birds, while I no longer live in the United Kingdom, one thing I have believed in this whole time is England.

As long as there is an England, or a Wales, or a Scotland or a Nord Eire let them be free of the French speakers. What would Wellington say if he knew certain englishmen were so willing to turn the lands he fought so hard to maintain fell into the hands of the French? He would puke, of that I can assure you.

I would ask you to vote for any party which would stop the full union with the French, my grandfather didn't fight in Africa to let the Belgians rule over us, he fought so that they may be free like us. If he had lived to see England become the land that it has become im sure he would have done the job instead of the Germans. I have given up my right to help decide the fate of England but let it not be a province of a super country.

There'll always be an England
And England shall be free
If England means as much to you
As England means to me.

I assume the same is too all those who check this site.

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#18 Post by Spannerman »

...................'tis to me Ben, well said.

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#19 Post by may18 »

Spannerman

trouble is with the UKIP and tories splitting their vote. The result will
be labour slipping back in yet again. The tories are the ones likely
to lose votes to the UKIP imho

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#20 Post by Spannerman »

may18 wrote:The result will
be labour slipping back in yet again. The tories are the ones likely
to lose votes to the UKIP imho
Remember these European Elections are based on a proportional representation system since 1999, details are here:-

http://www.europarl.org.uk/guide/Gelectionfacts.htm

This is our own UK Govt web site, there is every prediction that Labour will come a very poor third on the 'prop rep'. The Financial Times, 3 days ago predicts, a Labour hammering. It is interesting that there are no Mori or Gallup polls available at the moment to show the state of the parties.

I do believe that at least one third of all the electorate that bothers to vote will not be voting for the 'big three', there are so many fringe parties standing this time round too, including a pensioners party. The turn out from last time of 20% is likely to be well in excess of this in '04.

Personally if someone stood as a Garden Party, I would vote for them, at least everything would appear to be smelling of roses!

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#21 Post by Spannerman »

Four Tory peers have had the whip removed from them where they suggested that Conservative voters should vote for the UKIP in the Euro Elections to remove the UK from the European Union.

The BNP had an election broadcast heavily censored on TV on Friday night.

Now the SSP have been threatened with censorship for calling B Liar a B Liar read it here:

www.sundaymail.co.uk

Sounds like trouble 't mill.............

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#22 Post by Frank S. »

http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=614552004

Postmen can refuse to deliver 'extreme' Euro election leaflets

KATE FOSTER
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POSTAL workers who disapprove of ‘extreme’ political parties have been told they can refuse to deliver election leaflets by Royal Mail chiefs.

The controversial ruling potentially threatens the delivery of thousands of European election leaflets produced by groups including the UK Independence party and Operation Christian Vote, which opposes abortion and euthanasia.

The Royal Mail is required by law to distribute the election leaflets, so any that remain unposted will have to be delivered by managers or other postal workers.

Last night the political parties involved described the move by the Communication Workers’ Union as "appalling" and warned the Royal Mail would face legal action if homes did not receive their leaflets.

With less than a fortnight to go until the June 10 poll, parties are battling widespread public apathy and the traditional Royal Mail letter-box drop is seen as vital in delivering the political message direct to voters.

The situation has arisen because of a ‘conscience clause’ in Royal Mail workers’ contracts which means they are not obliged to deliver mail if they believe it puts them at personal risk or they do not agree with the material.

Last week, a row broke out between the left-wing CWU, which represents postal workers, and the British National party, which is also fielding candidates in the European elections.

A CWU branch in Bristol sent out mailshots to members and held meetings with staff, urging them not to deliver BNP material. But yesterday a spokesman for the union revealed the boycott, which has already spread to some parts of Scotland, may not stop with the BNP.

Both the UK Independence party and Operation Christian Vote are fielding candidates for Scotland’s seven seats, which entitles them to free delivery of election material by the Royal Mail. The UKIP, whose members believe Britain should withdraw from the EU, is expected to make huge gains.

The party, which counts Joan Collins among it supporters and Robert Kilroy-Silk among its candidates, has given 200,000 leaflets to the Royal Mail to deliver to homes in Edinburgh and Glasgow.

But Derek Durkin, secretary of the Scotland Number 2 branch of the CWU, which covers Edinburgh, Lothians, Fife, central Scotland and the Borders, revealed the union was ready to back any member of staff who objected to ‘extremist’ parties.

"If someone had a fundamental problem we would take their case up," he said.

"We are duty-bound to deliver leaflets for the mainstream political parties. But if one of our members found material from the other parties offensive and refused to deliver it, then we would back them on that."

Chris Proctor, UK spokesman for the CWU, defended the move. He said: "There is a general agreement that the Royal Mail has a legal obligation to deliver mail. Management will deal sensitively and sympathetically with genuine requests to deviate from this arrangement."

A Royal Mail spokeswoman also defended the controversial policy but insisted all leaflets would be delivered.

She said: "Royal Mail has legal obligations, under the Representation of People Act, to deliver election material, so long as the material is legal. However, we recognise that staff may have strong feelings. We have always tried to have a flexible approach, so if an individual feels they are unable to deliver the material because of personal circumstances or beliefs, or where an individual believes delivery of a particular item may incur personal risk, alternative arrangements will be made."

But a spokesman for UKIP last night reacted angrily to the suggestion it was extremist and could be boycotted by postal workers. He said: "The Royal Mail has a statutory duty to deliver leaflets from political parties. We are disappointed that the CWU have not seen fit to talk to any of our members in Scotland. We really don’t think it’s in the best interests of democracy for one group of people to decide what the rest of the country can or can’t read."

A spokesman for Operation Christian Vote threatened to take legal action if it learned of any delivery problems with its leaflets. The party, which has been set up to harness the vote of Christians, opposes abortions, human embryo research and euthanasia.

The spokesman said 500,000 leaflets had been handed over to the Royal Mail to be delivered to homes across Scotland.

He added: "I am very disturbed by this. I support people’s right to free speech and I don’t believe postmen have the right to be gatekeepers of information. If they don’t like the job of delivering mail they shouldn’t be doing it. We have spent thousands of pounds on these leaflets and we will sue if they are not delivered."

• The Scottish Socialist Party last night claimed that TV bosses were threatening to ban their new European election broadcast because it accuses Tony Blair of lying over the Iraq war.

The party said that lawyers for STV and Grampian television had told them that the brief broadcast would not be aired unless they could prove their case about Blair.

An STV spokesman said: "No decision has been made at this stage as to whether or not it can be broadcast."

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#23 Post by chrisfow »

Just seen an interview with Robert Kilroy-Silk and a Tory MP. Kilroy looked like a monkey all the way through - I cannot believe that the UKIP leaders think that this guy is gold dust. His arguments were all based on fallacy and after having a go at the Tory for being a bit personal (he said that UKIP were marginal) he then launched a detailed personal attack on this guy and Howard. He had, five mins before, said that the adversarial and personal nature of politics turns ppl off!

While he was spouting his venom, the Tory was pointing out that the 3 current UKIP MEPs had hardly ever voted in EU parl, esp on the Common Fisheries Policy which it is their main policy to get rid of. The viewer, however, was almost unable to hear this because Kilroy was screaming that Howard is a lier.

British politics: screaming racists drown out sensible points in televised debates.

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#24 Post by Spannerman »

:o

I saw that one sided interview on Newsnight!

Robert Kilroy Silk was vitriolic towards Tory MP John Redman, RKS did himself, nor the UKIP, any favours at all.

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#25 Post by joethejudge »

Spannerman wrote:
Nice to see all the Cross of St. George flags being flown from the cars, bit early for Euro 2004 yet but perhaps there is a little more patriotism being shown to cock a snook at those on the European mainland.
Good to see we've got our prioritites right on the run up to D-day

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#26 Post by owdun »

Pity that the same flags were not so much in evidence on St. Georges day, still, we must get the priorities right, football rules o.k.


Aye Owdun. :evil:

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#27 Post by Spannerman »

Do you recall when David Blunkett MP Home Secretary asked us to remove the St Georges flags from our cars and houses after Euro 2000, I wonder if he will have the guts to do it again?

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#28 Post by chrisfow »

That facist will never learn from his mistakes. A labour home sec competing with the Tories and taking pride in the fact that he is more extreme! I really do wish he would just drop dead. :evil:
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#29 Post by may18 »

will we be able to believe the results anyway??
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Candidate arrested over postal ballot allegations

RUSSELL JACKSON


A CANDIDATE for the forthcoming local elections south of the Border has been arrested in connection with allegations of election irregularities.

Aftab Hussain, a 39-year-old Liberal Democrat candidate for Alexandra in Oldham, Greater Manchester, was arrested yesterday afternoon.

A Greater Manchester Police spokesman said a man was arrested on "suspicion of conspiracy to defraud and theft of ballot papers".

A spokesman said: "At around 8pm on Friday, 28 May, two men called at a house on Queens Road in Glodwick and offered to look after the ballot papers for everyone at the address.

"The family handed over five ballot papers before the two men left. The following day the family contacted the police to raise concerns about the two men."

Howard Sykes, the Liberal Democrat leader in Oldham last night confirmed Mr Hussain had been arrested. He said: "It is a matter for the police and we take a very dim view of anybody who does anything illegal with postal votes."

Mr Hussain is due to answer bail at Oldham police station on Thursday, 5 August.

This year’s elections have already been blighted by fears that postal ballot papers would not reach voters on time and that Britain’s largest experiment in all-postal voting might end in an embarrassing failure.

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#30 Post by voodoo sprout »

Personally I'll be voting Conservative, but to be honest I don't have a great deal of knowledge of EU politics to go on. But I do think that the likes of the UKIP is not likely to be incredibly effective as while they may vote in our favour when the opportunity arises, there is room in the EU for debate and more general development and in this case being so strongly against the very organisation they're in could mean other countries simply don't take a great deal of notice of them. That's not to mention their lack of experience as Mr Kilroy Silk has so amply demonstrated. At least the Tories are slightly more in line with current EU thinking so while pressing for our interests, could get other MEP's form other countries to see thier point and understnad where they're coming from.

In any case, at least being immoral mecenaries they'll campaign for more conservative (note small 'c') policies just to keep the UK electorate happy so they may not give themselves any other choice than to do the right general thing :).
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