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Hutton Enquiory, Top up fee vote (even if he wins it will opnly be because he bribed the backbenchers), resignation of Peter Kay (the head of the Iraqi Survey Group) and announcement by Colin Powell that WMDs may not be found, armed forces lack of kit.

Jon.

We can only hope.

Its Bliar's stubborness which annoys me. Peter Kay, Hans Blix, GWB, Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfield, Jack Straw have all hinted that WMD may never be found in Iraq. Yet, Blair continues to say that he believes they will be found (you know when hes lying his arse off when he changes it from 'WMDs will be found' to 'evidence of WMD's will be found').

He's just trying to cling onto his position but his grip is getting weaker and weaker. Why doesnt he just admitt that he mislead the country and resign? At least then George W Bush will be weakened.

He should also face prosecution. Misleading the country is a crime in my book.

The trouble is B Liar believes in his own BS, I also think he thinks he treads on water, I reckon he's skating on thin ice, but he will survive. He is a trained barrister, they know how to twist the truth at a minimum fee of £100 per hour.

The people will be his judge, someone recently said that 'the trouble with God is he thinks he is Tony Blair!'

There is no way in hell that "Himself" will step down like Spannerman said he believes his own BS, he thinks he should be ruler and that hes not actually made any mistakes.
The man clearly is a moron when he says things like "the top up fees are essentail and are there to encourage university attendence" how does making people poorer help.
OUT.

I think that the Hon. Tone lost the plot months ago. He really has forgotten what labour stands for, now we're seeing top-up fees (too many at uni as it is), foundation hospitals etc. The man really is out of touch with reality and more to the point the British people. Ah well, HOWARD FOR PM IN '05

Now I do not like our Tony, but if he was to go, would we get any one that was any better, well there is Claire Short or Red Ken when he comes back. As I say I am not fond of him but he does look and act the part.

Well don`t look at me, I didn`t vote for him

I doubt Blair will be out of a job, recent polls have suggested that he's still very popular with the public (comparitively speaking that is), and the party seems to agree that it's more important to win elections than it is to have a respected leader. Somewhat like the US democratic party shenanigans at the moment; the emphasis beeing purely on who can beat Bush rather than who would make the best leader.
And as much as Blair is despised by many, he is recognised as being more capable than the alternatives with the only real exception of Gordon Brown, though even a power switch like that would only happen much later, undoubtedly with the Labour party pretending it's some kind of natural development in the hopes of making people think Blair has always been in complete control of his party and the country. They won't want the future party being tainted by a Prime Minister who has to be chased away mid term.

And I don't think Blair will stay because he believes himself about WMD, I'm pretty sure that he is simply continuing his insistance that WMD are around because he doesn't want to back down and in doing so admit that *shock*he isn't perfect*horror*. Though he's given up on evidence of weapons of mass destruction anyway, now we're onto 'evidence of weapons of mass destrctuioon programs'.

The real issue I feel is going to be what happens if the vote on tuition fees fails which is looking quite possible, though it has been commented on a lot that pressure on rebels to come back to the government line or hand the Tories a victory (can't have anyone voting on the basis of whether it's a good policy or not, now can we ). But if it does fail, I expect Blair will put on his imaginary listening ears and spout a load of rubbish about accepting that the policy would benefit from work and he'll work with the party to improve it. In other words, he'll bury the issue until people get bored, and hope it stays underground until after the next election.

Adam,
"Lost the plot".
Spanner's,
"Walks on water".
Seems we agree.
Both those quotes could apply to Bush.
Although he probably had his plot designed for him before he lost it.
Now where did I put my plot down?
Guess I lost it.
Wholley.

Well I didn't vote for him either, but credit where it is due, he came through as a breath of fresh air to me in 1996 after the disastrous Tories led by Major. He stole the middle ground of the Tories and resoundedly won the election, I do think that there are a lot in the Labour Party who do not like B Liar, the true leftist, Cook, Short, Jackson, Skinner, Dalyell etc and are out to knife him in the back.

I do not like B Liar after his '45 minutes warning', he was given that information by HIS Chiefs, if it was (apparently) wrong he ought to have apologised to the nation for this as he is the PRIME Minister and the buck stops with him. If he admitted early on that he was wrong, I really would have thought he was a credible person, he hasn't and isn't and if one cannot trust a politician who the hell can you trust?

Spannerman,



'If you can't trust a politician' Just what the hell have you been drinking??

Spanners, you could always try trusting a LAWYER, we all know how honest they are, oops, sorry, Bliar is a LAWYER too, seems we can't trust anyone .


Aye Owdun.

Blair is simply more concerned with his image rather than what is right.

Even today, the Iraqi exile group responsible for giving MI6 the 45minute claim has conceded that it may be false. How can you justify war through intelligence given by one source? Worse is the fact that the source is an Iraqi exile - probably one of the least reliable sources of info regarding Iraq (they would have done anything to see Saddam attacked).

Blairs stance on Iraq was nothing to do with the fact that SH posed a threat. If America never seeked to overthrow SH then Blair would have never tackled the issue. It is obvious that they lied because they have repeatedly changed thier justification for the war - from the immediate threat to the UK, to an immediate threat to the region, to a future threat to the world, to combat human rights abuses, to help with the ME peace plan, to combat terrorism, to destory the link between SH and OBL, etc, etc.

In the world of today the United States has too much power and has recently abused that power to seek its own rewards (even now the US is planning to build new bases in Eastern Europe 'to get closer to problems in the Middle East' - in other words security for the future oil pipeline through Georgia). I am not prepared to stand by a British prime minister who blindly follows a corrupt administration (who shouldnt have been in power in the first place).

Ron Davis quit the labour party because "i joined a party left of centre now it is right or centre and im not able to accept that". Albeit im not that much of a lefty i applaud the chap for sticking to his guns theres no left or right anymore its all me me me.