I could see where artist is coming from if someone had made a blatently obvious racist remark but Rourkes didn't so I don't see what's wrong with him, didn't he say he had a few asian friends?
I can however see where he is coming from on the wider issue of the BNP, if it is indeed led by someone who socialises with nazis I think it's safe to assume he has some afinity to there cause. Like I said before, the nutters may be in a minority but it only takes one to be in control to f up the whole thing. If they had a credible, respectable leader things could be different.
PS Artist did you get my pm?
Edit - I just got to thinking about all these rufugees getting citizenship and then I started thinking about the Gurkhas. So do you think they and there immediate family (wife, kids) should be allowed automatic citizenship in the UK and a full UK pension if they choose to live in the UK? In my opionion it should be a given that they be allowed in. I mean they all speak English (don't they?), they have all served Britain and it's people, and most of all they are bloody good blokes.
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OK guys, can we have a reality check on the BNP? First off, I can see the reasoning about making a 'protest vote'. But the danger in this is that the more votes they get the more 'reasonable' they will seem to 'neutral' voters.
So, what's the problem with that? Aldo said, '...if it is indeed led by someone who socializes with Nazis I think it's safe to assume he has some affinity to their cause.'
But the reality is stronger than affinity, Aldo. In 2001 the BNP leader addressed a meeting of the Ku Klux Klan in Texas. His message was on the lines that 'We are not selling out our ideas, but we are detemined now to sell them. Using words like freedom, security, identity, democracy. No one can criticize them.'
In Feb 2002 he addressed a meeting of American Renaissance, an umbrella organization for white supremacists and fascists. One of the delegates applauded the fact that the BNP (Griffin) had ditched the swastika because: It showed he was like Hitler. A supreme pragmatist who does whatever is necessary to promote his political philosophy.
So make no mistake, even if you are voting as a 'protest': you are voting for an unchanged out-and-out neo-fascist party - Nazis using more 'politic' language to fool the voters.
Not for me thanks. It took WWII to get rid of the last fascist movement
So, what's the problem with that? Aldo said, '...if it is indeed led by someone who socializes with Nazis I think it's safe to assume he has some affinity to their cause.'
But the reality is stronger than affinity, Aldo. In 2001 the BNP leader addressed a meeting of the Ku Klux Klan in Texas. His message was on the lines that 'We are not selling out our ideas, but we are detemined now to sell them. Using words like freedom, security, identity, democracy. No one can criticize them.'
In Feb 2002 he addressed a meeting of American Renaissance, an umbrella organization for white supremacists and fascists. One of the delegates applauded the fact that the BNP (Griffin) had ditched the swastika because: It showed he was like Hitler. A supreme pragmatist who does whatever is necessary to promote his political philosophy.
So make no mistake, even if you are voting as a 'protest': you are voting for an unchanged out-and-out neo-fascist party - Nazis using more 'politic' language to fool the voters.
Not for me thanks. It took WWII to get rid of the last fascist movement
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Please all vote for the party you believe in.
The point I am trying to make is that put in simple terms the Bigotted Nasty party are a Facist organisation.
The National Front sussed out that a name change would work wonders for them. The fact is that most leaders of the BNP are ex NF.
In my time in the mob I only once witnessed racial bigatory. A fellow recruit called Glen-Roy Diaglia had his tin lid blown up by a PW Cpl, a total dick in the troops opinion who was then (I found out years later) Rembranted for being a dick by the training team!
People, the armed forces have enough problems as it is without this!
You want the to bring up the issue of Illegals please feel free. But groups like the BNP will make Mountains out of Molehills.
Just do a tour in NI to find out how people will detest other people. A fair few of the "Old and Bold" will give you a very good idea of what NI was like in the 70's. Dear old ladies offering green troops just out from the mainland cups of tea laced with Rat Poison was not uncommon. I just have no time for bigots. Be they racist, religious or anything else.
Extreme right wing or indeed left wing parties find a thing that they can exploit and will burrow away until they get want they want. Differences of oppion ending up in total Warfare and then they take over.
Not this time please? I learnt this from my time in the mob because that is what we did to disprupt the various Paramilitary groups:
PIRA/UDA/UVF/OIRA etc, etc.
Because to be honest if this sort of crap keeps rearing it's ugly head I am gone. Rourkes Drift says that he has been a member of the BNP for 7 years. Then, why is he on our free and honest forum? He must be over the age of joining. (27) I just feel he is here to stir the sh*t and recruit new members to his very sad Party. Take his side if that is what you want to do but, just leave me alone, OK? I just want us to be open and honest in our views, which I think is what democracy is.
Facism is a bit like Old Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe. (you dont have to be any one colour to be a facist or a racist!) You take power and then you stay in power.
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The point I am trying to make is that put in simple terms the Bigotted Nasty party are a Facist organisation.
The National Front sussed out that a name change would work wonders for them. The fact is that most leaders of the BNP are ex NF.
In my time in the mob I only once witnessed racial bigatory. A fellow recruit called Glen-Roy Diaglia had his tin lid blown up by a PW Cpl, a total dick in the troops opinion who was then (I found out years later) Rembranted for being a dick by the training team!
People, the armed forces have enough problems as it is without this!
You want the to bring up the issue of Illegals please feel free. But groups like the BNP will make Mountains out of Molehills.
Just do a tour in NI to find out how people will detest other people. A fair few of the "Old and Bold" will give you a very good idea of what NI was like in the 70's. Dear old ladies offering green troops just out from the mainland cups of tea laced with Rat Poison was not uncommon. I just have no time for bigots. Be they racist, religious or anything else.
Extreme right wing or indeed left wing parties find a thing that they can exploit and will burrow away until they get want they want. Differences of oppion ending up in total Warfare and then they take over.
Not this time please? I learnt this from my time in the mob because that is what we did to disprupt the various Paramilitary groups:
PIRA/UDA/UVF/OIRA etc, etc.
Because to be honest if this sort of crap keeps rearing it's ugly head I am gone. Rourkes Drift says that he has been a member of the BNP for 7 years. Then, why is he on our free and honest forum? He must be over the age of joining. (27) I just feel he is here to stir the sh*t and recruit new members to his very sad Party. Take his side if that is what you want to do but, just leave me alone, OK? I just want us to be open and honest in our views, which I think is what democracy is.
Facism is a bit like Old Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe. (you dont have to be any one colour to be a facist or a racist!) You take power and then you stay in power.
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Spannerman wrote:I've drawn my line in the sand.
So 'tis the last I will make any comment on this subject.
ok now thats over with lets all talk about trapping and getting shedders shall we, just like real grown ups !!!
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Artist, as Churchill once said,
"There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other.
That word is England."
That seems to get more and more true in England as time passes.
I like most other people on this forum who have mentioned support of the BNP, think that it is just a chance to get more freedom to the English people. Personally as you said I have no time for Nazis or white supremists, you don't have a choice as who you are born as or what colour or even where. So if you hate a person for this then you are a asshole a blind stupid asshole. My support of them is limitted to trying to get a second voice in the parliment pretty much the same as everyone else on this forum.
Canada currently has a "democratic" dictatorship, the government extremely favours Ontario and Quebec as they give it them 95% of its votes. And completely screws over the West and East of Canada especially the west though. Everyone here votes Canadian Alliance / PC but nothing can really be done to change the way things are done in Canada. I vote for the CA in principle of its policies as much as I do for a second voice in Canada or even a government which doesn't give the shaft to the us. The BNP is quite simply louder and more agressive than any other choice at giving the UK a voice against the Labour Party.
Now Roukes Drift could you care to give an explanation of your name.
"There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other.
That word is England."
That seems to get more and more true in England as time passes.
I like most other people on this forum who have mentioned support of the BNP, think that it is just a chance to get more freedom to the English people. Personally as you said I have no time for Nazis or white supremists, you don't have a choice as who you are born as or what colour or even where. So if you hate a person for this then you are a asshole a blind stupid asshole. My support of them is limitted to trying to get a second voice in the parliment pretty much the same as everyone else on this forum.
Canada currently has a "democratic" dictatorship, the government extremely favours Ontario and Quebec as they give it them 95% of its votes. And completely screws over the West and East of Canada especially the west though. Everyone here votes Canadian Alliance / PC but nothing can really be done to change the way things are done in Canada. I vote for the CA in principle of its policies as much as I do for a second voice in Canada or even a government which doesn't give the shaft to the us. The BNP is quite simply louder and more agressive than any other choice at giving the UK a voice against the Labour Party.
Now Roukes Drift could you care to give an explanation of your name.
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Ben,BenChug wrote: My support of them is limitted to trying to get a second voice in the parliment pretty much the same as everyone else on this forum.
The BNP is quite simply louder and more agressive than any other choice at giving the UK a voice against the Labour Party.
As you're in Canada, the BNP isn't really relevant for you. But for others with your perspective there is a real danger. You can't say 'My support is limited to..........' If you were to vote for them and they 'got in', you'd be responsible [partly] for voting in a Nazi party and all that entails. It's too easy for the 'Masses' to get swept along by political idealogues. Hitler and Germany are the classic examples. It's no good thinking 'it couldn't happen to us'.
The encouraging thing is that the BNP are going nowhere. It won't be long before they screw up and reveal their true nature [for those who's forgotten what it really is].
So when you go to put your tick against 'BNP' just read the words National Socialist Party instead. i.e. Nazi Party.
Personally I don't think anyone is being "swept along", I think the people who vote BNP are simply voting for the only party who actually try to address real problems.
I'm in no way a BNP supporter as i agree with many posts stating they are inherently racist, but the fact remains it will appeal to many "normal" people because the party doesn't shy away from touching issues such as immigration as the mainstream parties do.
When crime levels are rising, and millions are spent on immigrants who have no genuine reason to claim asylum then people will inevitably (and unfortunately) turn to extremist parties because the major parties are too scared to be seen as un-politically correct.
If that makes sense?!!
I'm in no way a BNP supporter as i agree with many posts stating they are inherently racist, but the fact remains it will appeal to many "normal" people because the party doesn't shy away from touching issues such as immigration as the mainstream parties do.
When crime levels are rising, and millions are spent on immigrants who have no genuine reason to claim asylum then people will inevitably (and unfortunately) turn to extremist parties because the major parties are too scared to be seen as un-politically correct.
If that makes sense?!!
I think Tyke's hit the nail on the head there. The problems we all want addressing are very controversial and the usaul parties don't lik eto talk about them.
On a similar topic, I heard on the news today that teh government are going to crack down on people illiegaly using the NHS when they aren't a national of the country, i other words the illegal immigrants. They are obviously allowing none British to use it for emergencies or deseases contracted here while on holiday, business trips or somthing similar but they will be working on ways to reduce those casess. Good news I think, at least it shows that they have the balls to tackle the real issues.
On a similar topic, I heard on the news today that teh government are going to crack down on people illiegaly using the NHS when they aren't a national of the country, i other words the illegal immigrants. They are obviously allowing none British to use it for emergencies or deseases contracted here while on holiday, business trips or somthing similar but they will be working on ways to reduce those casess. Good news I think, at least it shows that they have the balls to tackle the real issues.
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GIS US A KISS big boy! You will do for me oppo!
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To anyone else that still thinks the British Nasty Party is for them.......Have a very nice day!
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Sisyphus, it is true yes I am in Canada, but I spend a fair amount of time in the UK in fact odds right now are that I may get an attachment posting along side 1/3 PARA coming up in March for 6 months. Looks like a good go if it doesn't fall through. So I will be in the UK once again breathing in the terrible air.
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From a personal perspective I find the idea of the BNP distasteful to say the least and not what I joined MF to discuss. However, they do not breach the above guidelines and consequently people can post on the subject, the reason why they wish to post these topics on a Military Forum baffles me.
If a post crosses the points highlighted in bold the Mods will have great pleasure in deleting the post and 'binning' the contributor off MF permanently.
The Mods have noticed the arrival of new members who have BNP sympathies and are monitoring the situation.
