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Crossed Rifles

#1 Post by Colin » Thu 02 Sep, 2004 6:41 pm

Hi all,

Just a general question.

Years ago I seem to remember seeing crossed rifles on the left arms of uniforms.

I understand that they were for marksman.

Are they still in use?

If so, are they across all services?

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#2 Post by got1 » Thu 02 Sep, 2004 8:56 pm

Up until the early 60s when BD was worn by the army, marksmen could wear the crossed rifles on there left sleave. The LMG and MMG were also worn, if I remember rightly they had a laurel wreath around the letters.
When they brought out the No2 dress they disappeared although I have seen crossed rifles on a smock.

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#3 Post by goreD. » Thu 02 Sep, 2004 10:51 pm

I thought crossed rifles was a marksmans badge.
Could be wrong........

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#4 Post by Edwards159 » Thu 02 Sep, 2004 10:59 pm

I asked Royal Engineers Sgt what does two crossed rifles mean. He said that ' he specialises in arms' or something along those lines
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#5 Post by Guest » Thu 02 Sep, 2004 11:38 pm

Last I knew it was the Marksmans Badge.

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#6 Post by Oakers » Fri 03 Sep, 2004 1:07 am

It's Marksmans in the Corps. Can't comment exactly on any other branch of the armed forces but I'm pretty certain that's the same across the board.

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#7 Post by bigbart » Fri 03 Sep, 2004 9:35 am

When I was at Glencorse my section corporal was a sniper for POW regt, he wore the crossed rifles on his no. 2's. I think you are awarded them if you pass the sniper course.
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#8 Post by Guest » Fri 03 Sep, 2004 10:08 am

The snipers trade badge usually has a letter "S" in between the crossed rifles

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#9 Post by JR » Fri 03 Sep, 2004 10:21 am

:wink: Cliodna Right again,Crossed rifles with the "S" between the rifles is a sniper Specialist qualification badge,crossed rifles worn on the bottom of the right sleeve in the Corps denotes Marksman.
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#10 Post by Longshot » Fri 03 Sep, 2004 10:33 am

Yep, crossed rifles mean marksman, a title that means you achieved a high score in your APWT that year. An `S` in the middle means sniper. The badge was worn on the lower left sleeve.
If the sniper badge was worn on the upper arm above the Cpl or Sgt stripes it denoted `Instructor`.
Well it was back in the late 80`s, when I was in anyway.
I`m not sure that the marksman badge is still used. I remember when we changed from theSLR to the SA80, loads of people got the marksman; so much so that it made a bit of a mockery of it. The rumour was that they were either going to make the APWT harder or get rid of the marksman badge.

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#11 Post by Pasha » Fri 03 Sep, 2004 10:52 am

Longshot,

The scoring system has changed with different scores required for SUSAT and iron sighted rifles.
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#12 Post by Sully » Fri 03 Sep, 2004 11:15 am

I couldn't hit an elephant's arse at ten paces with iron sights on the SA80 - I liked to think of my efforts as 'suppressive fire' :wink: I did get 60 out of 45 (exact figures my be wrong but that's the jist of it) on my first APWT courtesy of Tetley in trap 6. You'd think he was a yank - not from Barnsley.
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#13 Post by JR » Fri 03 Sep, 2004 1:26 pm

:wink: Sully, I could hit an elephants arse from 12 miles away,mind you I would have to be in the 6inch Turret (loading) not aiming??.Aye jr :roll:
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#14 Post by Colin » Fri 03 Sep, 2004 4:29 pm

Thanks all,

I also had heard what Longshot heard about when we went from SLR to SA80 that everyone was get getting their 'Marksman' Badge.

So, if still in use, what are the 'rules' now?

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#15 Post by Tab » Fri 03 Sep, 2004 7:11 pm

Back in the 50's the crossed rifles badge was that of a marksman. to get it you had shoot at various ranges up to 600 yards [if I remember rightly] with iron sights. You only had one go each year to get this badge. My first year I missed as I was overseas, the following year we shot for it in a lashing rain and force 9 gale. No one got near it. Shooting at four and six hundred yards in those conditions was near impossible, it was hard to see the target let alone allow for the wind.

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