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Post by Yorkie Malone »

As I said You can see why I am going to court.

To be slapped down once is bad enough ..... three times is taking the piss.

The system is set up to help, to sort out problems, to get you over the lump, so that you have no worries, no cares, and you do your job as a Royal Marine without question.

That is why they have a Doc, the church, the welfare ...... but when all three do knack all ..... or was it that they had to give guidence to the female to get her over the 6 foot wall.

To say the least I AM NOT IMPREST !!!!!!!

and

He's a great bloke.

Now for the laugh ..... all of us email the offical site to see what they are doing.

Well I'll tell you ..... nothing .... cos he has no ID card etc HE'S OUT!
Nothing to do with the system. Gone. Finished. Civvie-street mate. Not our problem.

Washed thier bloody hands of the problem.

Where are those poxy papers from/for the court case must get the address so he can contact as a cracking example once it is through the courts. Or thinks?? can you sue now as it is after the 198? threshold??

Cos this is a classic case of being mistreated by the services and the system.

Bigger SSCCRREEAAMM than last night

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Post by Jim T »

Greyman

Sounds like you received the advice I received throughout my time in the Corps. I'll give you a very brief potted history of my own experiences towards the end of my service.

I was down at 'Deal' the day the bomb went off and was one of the first on scene of the explosion. I spent most of the morning digging out bodies with my bear hands, and trying to keep the survivors alive.

At one point I was in the back of an ambulance on route to hospital helping a civvis doc resus one of the Bandies. The guy on the other stretcher ( Bob Simmons ), who I knew and was very badly injured, sat up, pulled off his oxygen mask, grabbed my hand and basically told me he was dying. He then stopped breathing and was resussed by myself, but later passed away in hospital.

A pretty shite day was had by all, and by the end of the day my rig was covered in blood and ripped to pieces. I was not alone and this was the case for all the RM security team.

For years I had been coping with the Sir Galahad and FI, and that days events brought everything to a head. Next day I phoned in sick ( lived ashore, alone ) and went on the PU of PU's. Came on duty the day after and was told by an RM Capt ( who shall remain nameless ) that I was a "w@#k" and that if I coundn't hack it F*** off out the Corps. I was lucky not be have been charged!.

At the time I had 8.5 years in the Corps, had been down south, a couple of tours in NI, spent 4 years in a Recce Tp and was looking to go on a SCC.

I went across and spoke to the RN doc who told me "Go ashore get pissed and have a fight" Then said "I didn't think that dead bodies upset Commandos?". I left the Corps 6 months later!.

I'm sure that there are people who view this site who would confirm EVERYTHING I have stated. So you are not alone Greyman and it is the people who refused to help you who are the w*****rs in this world.

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Swig of wine big sigh.

Ratso the Corps is not big enough to do the sort of thing you would like, the RN are just about able to manage. And all three services working together ... don't! end of story.

The other problem is that eg: I have the problem and can be taken into care (or custody depends on who picks me up first!!) as I have "the problem" but the one who suffers almost, if not more, is the carer or looker afterer. BUT!! as there is nothing wrong with them then they can't get help.

BIG BUT AGAIN IF!! the carer was looked after, then the carer would be able to help the person with the problem a lot more. BUT!! as there is nothing wrong with them they do not need help.

Read I think it's page 52 of Catch 22 and all is explained.

It's simple Nothing wrong with you... no problem
Something wrong with you ... some one elses problem.

PS Youre a civvie now mate.

BUT this case should have been picked up by the DOCTOR.

As I said the case notes have to be "CLASSICS" Sent him to the Pardre!

Colours ... Greyman is dead! Do not reveal who you are do as I have said in the section on War pensions. AND take the system to the cleaners cos they, through thier negligence... tried to kill you.. through lack of help and assistance when you asked.

I know that sounds nasty, bitchy, etc but it's not. It's life. And they have done wrong by not offering help when it was asked for.

The system is there to pick up cases like this to help us to become, and be, the best in the world ... as we know we are ... but we ALL have to work together. But in this case 3 people who are in very respected positions, and paid good money for the job, have FAILED, in a very BIG way.

One glass of wine left in the bottle, fumming, upset, annoyed, in Lamerton, sunshining but with dark cloud over computer, from Yorkie Malone Good night!
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That was News At Ten, with Yorkie Malone live from Lamerton. :wink:

I don`t think the system will truly improve until M.O.D. start to feel the pain in their wallets. If recent history is any thing to go by, they will chuck your case out of court. Same with the appeal to House of Lords.
Then it`ll be over to European Court of Human Rights where they will get spanked, big time.
They could settle now and save all the bother, of course.
They could settle now and save all the expense.
They could settle now and avoid all the embarrassment. Christ, they could even blame the Tories.

Will they do any of this? Will they bollocks. Look to the case with the gays, or the pregnant service women. That is how this case will run.
At school we were taught about "Natural Justice" whereby something that you instinctively feel to be right,or wrong, usually is.

How do your instincts tell you to feel?


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Post by Yorkie Malone »

Harry, That is why I said a long time ago.

A simple sorry, we were wrong. Would be enough for me.

BUT

Years after I came out it is STILL happening, and will continue to happen.
Because they can't think themselves as ever doing ANYTHING wrong. And that is both labour and tories cos they have both sent us into it and it US the TROOPS who have got them out of it.

Yes it will go to the top and then... well the shit will really hit the fan.

But whilst cases like Colours is going on and being shunned then go for them.

It was News at Nine cos I had to watch Lads Army. Now that is taking the Piss!!

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GreyMan, I would say that it is justifiable to think the way that you do. it is unfortunate that the people you saw obviously did not have a clue on how to handle a case such as yourself. Talk about passing the book. I only hope that some day if ever they need help, they see some-one with the same attitude that they seemed to have adopted.
In reading your tale it helped me an awful lot. It helped me to answer questions that I have always wondered about.As you say you .went to meals late, would not socialise, I myself also did, would be first into refectory at meal times wolf down scoff and be out before others arrived. I shummed all my old friends even when they were trying to help.
I became Captain Paranoia and still am to this day, people outside were talking about me, or so I thought, now have to hear everything that anyone says in case they are mentioning me. So believe me I know that when people say "it will get better" you just want want to tell them to go forth and multiply, they know nothing. Honest from me I would not lie to a Colour it does, the pain softens, though is never forgoten.
You have taken the first step, now keep going, pretend you are going through basic again, it becomes easier with time.
I know this probably sound a load of bollocks, though trust us all. We know what you are going through, we were there or at least we can hopefully relate to it better than some civvy quack.
Keep going it is worth it in the end.
No offence to Yorkie scripting about the court case does this help, not at least till we see what the outcome is.
The legal system in this country has a lot to be desired and is easily manipulated. Hope you have got an excellent defence team.
Believe me I know. At least it is a positive move, which hopefully with the right outcome will raise the self-esteem of a lot of ex-forces in civvy street.
Sorry to be sounding so cynical, it is the way the have turned me.
Cheers
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Cheers, Bud.
I started this thread because I had read about the court case. It has evolved into what it is today, but in parallel is the genuine interest in the case.
And you couldn`t offend Yorkie if you shit in his bed. Even if he was in it :wink:

Thank you for the input, we know how hard that can be.( that`s not the royal "we", but the regulars on here)

Well done, mate

yours, Aye

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Post by harry hackedoff »

Further to that,
Believe it or not, but I have been called "cynical" on occasions :roll:

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I am thankful that my reaching out for help from you guys has helped others especially you Frankenstein. Now that I know what is ‘up’ with me I can come to terms with my behaviour and make some sort of sense out of all this.

However, I am not putting myself through basic training, again!

At this moment in time my subconscious is telling my brain that I am sat in an ops room and what I am looking at is a CCTV screen. I’m wating for an incident so I can react as I have been trained. My house is an SF base, and the village where I live is somewhere in Belfast. I only go out ‘on patrol’ when I have too, because all the people out there are hostile to me. The reason I wake up at 2 am some mornings and sit here is because its my turn on watch! My subconscious is still waging war on terrorism with everything I do, no-one has told it otherwise.

It sounds stupid but it now makes perfect sense to me. And do you know what? I am starting to feel much better about myself!

Regards to you all.
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Just an after thought.

'The machine can't fix itself if the machine dosn't know its broken!'

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Everyone knows that the longer you use something that is broken the worse it gets; which means the harder it takes to fix, be it a weapon, a car, a ship, or a person. we have IAs for weapons, servicing and MOTs for cars and refits for ships. Whats missing?

GMan, its time to come off-watch, go on RnR and remember that each Op comes to a conclusion.

Think of the IA, you know something is wrong, so lets cock, hook, and look. There is still ammo, so you need to unload and clear any blockages. Then the stripping down. Next the cleaning. Next replacement parts - At any stage you may need, maybe an armourer.

YOU ARE NOT A GREYMAN, by implication a greyman is someone who is non-descript and hides in the shadows, on their own.
1. You are not on your own.
2. Everyone needs to take cover in the shadows now and then, but you have already stepped out of them.
3. No way are you non-descript. You like many others choose anonymity (including me), the reason is irrelevant, but you are an individual, with a life, with a background and a future.

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love overcomes all things

God bless GMan
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Thank you all so very much for your help, and for just being there when I needed someone. I have have now regained a great deal of strength and courage from your replys.

I have just arrived back home (Not the SF base) after a 2 mile jog - the first in 18 months - and I really do feel good about myself.

Now I know that there is something wrong with the machine, I can take positive steps to fix it and get my life back.

You won't be hearing from me as the Greyman again, but I intend to continue contributing to these discusions, do you know why?
Because I feel part of the family again, and that door which was slammed in my face seems wide open! How true the name of this community now seems.

Once again, Cheers Royal for being there when I needed you.
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Well done, mate.
"tunnel" and "light" seem appropriate, Tony winging your way

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Post by Yorkie Malone »

Hello C O L O U R S.

Nuf said

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Hi Guys,

This is defiantly the last word from thegreyman.
I’ve just had a visit from the ‘counsellor Malone,’ who thinks that all runs mean ‘runs ashore,’ we haven’t quite got ashore yet but the ship has certainly started to sway, what with his wine, my beer and both of us swinging the lantern!

NFP, was the reply from Yorkie.

Christ I feel better than I have for ages ladaaads, hicc!
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