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#151 Post by DWW » Sat 13 Aug, 2005 7:31 pm

Yea, good bit of advice there. Fortunately I've got 3 years of bodybuilding and strength training under my belt, so the basis is there!

Personally I think I'm getting too big for long distance work at the moment, so I'll be adjusting my programme to incorporate more endurance and strength, not growing any more!


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#152 Post by markthestab » Sat 13 Aug, 2005 7:40 pm

exactly, most people who do body building have to lose muscle to pass stuff like p coy and the commnado course

muscles take up oxygen

if i was you id stop the wieghts all together and just beast yourself with circuits and long runs, and a wee bit of swimming


#153 Post by DWW » Sat 13 Aug, 2005 7:45 pm

At 15 stone my cardio is pretty good, but I've got 2 years until I graduate, so I'm going to gradually tail off the mass building weight sessions whilst increasing my circuits, cardio and endurance weight sessions to find an optimum middle ground.


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#154 Post by Brian- » Sat 13 Aug, 2005 11:33 pm

markthestab wrote:yeah but if you cant do 60 press-ups what good is 30 press-ups with weight?

you need to be able to do 60 press-ups first then you can think about weight

or better still, go for 90 without weight
My point was that if you work your way up to 60 with a slight weight, then when you take the weight off it would obviously be easier to do 60. I suppose it's better suited to someone who can't do many anyway (like me), ie. train as normal but with a bit of weight on your back from the start. Even if it's just a couple of kilos that's better than nothing...

Don't treat is as 'doing weights', just treat them as normal press-ups, that's what I mean. :)

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#155 Post by markthestab » Sun 14 Aug, 2005 1:35 am

do what works for you


#156 Post by Bliartheliar » Sun 14 Aug, 2005 2:30 pm

Theres hundreds of training methods out there, so its best to find out what works best for you and then stick to it. If you try everything, you wont get anywhere. Thats not to say its wrong to try something new every now and then but, as everybody reacts to training differently, it must be specific to you and your goals. Like DWW mentioned, its not P-Company or the PRMC that you are training for, but the career in general. They are just hurdles along the way.

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#157 Post by markthestab » Sun 14 Aug, 2005 4:04 pm

you do have to train specifically for p company and the commando course

they are pretty f@#k big hurdles mate, and they are designed to test ones capability to carry out their role as airbourne or marines, all the tabbing/yomping , assault courses etc are designed to test the soldiers physical and mental ability to carry on doing their role when it gets hard

YOU NEED SPECIFIC FITNESS , involving being able to run well, do loads of circuits, have good upper body strengh and be able to tab

its no good having a mr universe physique and not being able to run

its no good being able to run but not having the upper body strength to tab or do assault courses

their is a reason both the paras and marines give you fitness shedule either when you apply or on their websites, so if you wont listen to me listen to them to see what you SHOULD be doing if you want to pass

you want to do all your gucci training fair enough but dont be suprised if you fail, im sticking with what was recommended to me by P COY STAFF!!!

im going to shut up now cos im getting pissed off, and im too nice a guy to rip into some people


#158 Post by DWW » Sun 14 Aug, 2005 4:25 pm

I agree Mark.

I've found what training works for me, and I'll continue to follow the advice I was given during my POC,and from a colleague who was 22yrs RM (WOII) and what I have found works well for me.

I've been at the right level of fitness before, I know how to get there again.

I think training is a very personal thing, and whilst many people have many ways of training, the end result is where we all have to be looking. I don't think it matters how we arrive there, as long as we do. i don't think it is possible to find a training system that works for everyone let alone one that everyone agrees with the theory of.

And that's my last post in this thread! We aren't all going to agree, so we should just compare what headgear we're all sporting a few years down the line!



#159 Post by Bliartheliar » Sun 14 Aug, 2005 4:58 pm

Probably best not to listen to me. Its my day of work and I was pissed last night. I think that was directed more towards the like of me - poeple who just want a genral level of fitness at the moment.

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#160 Post by markthestab » Sun 14 Aug, 2005 5:49 pm

sorry mate im just being a mardy cnut

its frustrating because in the TA i hear a lot of talk about what training people have done, and then when it comes down to stuff they either cant run for shit or they get hit by a sniper(not litterally for those who havent heard that expresion means feigning injury :lol: ) whilst running or tabbing or just dont turn up for stuff they put their name down for (like p company)

but in my oppinion from my experiance of military fitness its all running and tabbing, the upper body stuff is just to make sure youve got just enough to carry out your job as a soldier, theirs not really any upper body strengh tests apart from when you do press ups or when its testing your upper body strengh whilst running

lets look at some p coy stuff, and general army stuff

for example the log race, the log on its own isnt heavy and doesnt require good upper body strengh, however it does once youve ran a mile with it but most of the burden is on your legs

tabbing, your bergan isnt heavy on its own and whilst you might get a bit of shoulder ache and back ache, its your arse, your calfs and your feet that hurt at the end of it most, apart from swinging your rifle side to side your arms and chest dont do anything

assault course, this is the one thing that requires a fair bit of upper body strengh, but its more upper body stamina than strengh provided of course you can lift your own body weight

upper body strengh is good but you might need to sacrifice some when your getting fit to anable you to run and tab well, its all about getting the balance right, if that incudes weights then fill your boots

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#161 Post by King_duck » Thu 25 Aug, 2005 4:49 pm

I agree with you generally, but..... You DO need a decent upperbody for tabbing long distances (or yomping - whatever!) Your bergen takes a toll on your whole body and you need that strength! Another point to consider is that a lad with a big build but who has done good aerobic training and is used to his weight will find carrying a 60lb bergen a lot easier than someone 2 stone lighter who may be only a little bit faster on his own - i think thats what you were getting at anyway!

As to always following Army training - well its up to you, the army will get you there one way or another but it may not always be the best/most efficent/injury free way. A lot of time and effort is constantly being put into re-evaluating and honing training techniques but in the end everyone is different. Pro athletes weren't that fit at the beginning but they take their good and bad points and learn from them.

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#162 Post by sd88 » Wed 07 Sep, 2005 11:08 pm

if you cant do many press-ups the best way to improve it is to do less reps more times

for example if you cant manage 60, do 4x30, resting or doing sit-ups in between

its best done as a circuit
i'm impressed, this system works wonders for my press ups. I can now get 60 no problem from a measly 40 previously.

ta very much

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#163 Post by Galant » Mon 03 Oct, 2005 4:14 pm

What's the best way to improve push-ups and sit-ups etc. - Doing them every day or every other day? I know from weight training the muscles respond better if they have 48 hours rest in between exercise, is this true for push-ups etc?

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#164 Post by Wee Willy Winkie » Mon 03 Oct, 2005 6:16 pm

Use the search galant, as you have ben told in your eyesight requirements topic. its up top in between the FAQ button and Memberlist button, dont be lazy.
'but artist, what is really the best way to do press ups??? :lol: '
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#165 Post by Wholley » Mon 03 Oct, 2005 7:37 pm

'but artist, what is really the best way to do press ups???
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