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training standards(ctcrm)
whats everyones opinion on the standard of training at ctcrm,has it gone easier atall in very recent years or not. i watched a doc off tv that followed 771 troop through training,and throughout the video there was an emphasis on how much the recruits should be beasted and if they should be atall,it was an officer who was proposing changes in the way recruits are treated and punished ect.....
I believe that with no doubt training has become easier in the way that people are treated! my main belief is this is because psychologists nd men in white coats have found that there are more effective ways of getting a response or positive attitude out of someone other than beating the shit out of people.
But lets not forget the commando tests people these have stayed the same and just as many people are getting through. Is this not evidence itself that although the training team may be "going easy" as you would like to say on the troops, whatever they are changing is producing the same results.
I believe that the old style training produced tougher recruits, but the new style is just as effective.
Let us not start to fall into the illusion that the green beret dosent mean as much as now as it used too.
But lets not forget the commando tests people these have stayed the same and just as many people are getting through. Is this not evidence itself that although the training team may be "going easy" as you would like to say on the troops, whatever they are changing is producing the same results.
I believe that the old style training produced tougher recruits, but the new style is just as effective.
Let us not start to fall into the illusion that the green beret dosent mean as much as now as it used too.
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Daveitfc,
Your comment re the commando tests being the same -
They may be the same tests but it is my understanding that the times a recruit is given to complete the tests today have been extended compared with the times expected of recruits in the early 60s.
No doubt someone will correct me if I am wrong.
Your comment re the commando tests being the same -
They may be the same tests but it is my understanding that the times a recruit is given to complete the tests today have been extended compared with the times expected of recruits in the early 60s.
No doubt someone will correct me if I am wrong.
No matter which period we all joined up in we will all have heard the old hands saying the training has changed and yes I dare say it has, sometimes for the better and some for the worse.
The one thing I have every respect for is a trainee, they are there now going through the beastings and the endurance course, do they have to do it? No of course they don't, why do they do it because they have the metal to do it.
Have the changes over the years turned out inferior Marines NO we can see that from what they do today in the Afgan. In the 70's and 80's we saw change the pass out levels were still low and the same applies today.
My cousins son is in training right now and doing well and I have more admiration for him than I had for myself as he left a house with more mod cons and central heating and a cumfy bed...... makes me feel tired thinking about it.
So in my opinion we are still turning out the best of the best, perhaps the world is changing with us but training is still the toughest in the western world.......
The one thing I have every respect for is a trainee, they are there now going through the beastings and the endurance course, do they have to do it? No of course they don't, why do they do it because they have the metal to do it.
Have the changes over the years turned out inferior Marines NO we can see that from what they do today in the Afgan. In the 70's and 80's we saw change the pass out levels were still low and the same applies today.
My cousins son is in training right now and doing well and I have more admiration for him than I had for myself as he left a house with more mod cons and central heating and a cumfy bed...... makes me feel tired thinking about it.
So in my opinion we are still turning out the best of the best, perhaps the world is changing with us but training is still the toughest in the western world.......
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Further to that,
May`s Navy News has an excellant piece about the campaign to turn L10 into a Falklands Museum, strangely absent were any references to the much loved Ratso, however. A certain Mr C. Waite seems to have a lot to say!
Margaret Thatcher gets a mention , as does support from John Nott.
Rats, this was precision- guided publicity, targeted where it will do most good i.e. right at the Andrew themselves. After all, they still have the log book.
yours,
Harry
May`s Navy News has an excellant piece about the campaign to turn L10 into a Falklands Museum, strangely absent were any references to the much loved Ratso, however. A certain Mr C. Waite seems to have a lot to say!
Margaret Thatcher gets a mention , as does support from John Nott.
Rats, this was precision- guided publicity, targeted where it will do most good i.e. right at the Andrew themselves. After all, they still have the log book.
yours,
Harry
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Hey canny hinnies !
I remember when my squad reached the ITC ( a hundred and fifty years
ago ) at Lympstone and we were introduced to 'our' telegraph poles
....These 'new mates' were to be taken everywhere with us - nice way
to introduce the 'Buddy System'.... A few years later while training for the New York Tattoo of 1960 we did the assault course especially built for the purpose, did the runs out to the countryside (about 30 k's) ran the Tarzan course and dumped each other ( all, officers, NCO's and the rest of us )
in the handy fire reservoirs around the ITC - they stank - sat fire to the
tails of each others denison smocks and generally behaved as though we
were thoroughly enjoying life.... - With regard to recruit training :-
A three month ' Hell Week' of training, with - gosh - swearing and harrassment and to an extent bullying and cajoling, did nothing to prevent
us passing the bleeding course. No dropouts - a few minor casualties but 100% Squad passout - Now - a hundred and fifty years on - I see that it was worth it !
Gan canny now - cheeors !
Trog
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hello,
everybody goes on about training, and how its changed. i've been out of training for only 8 months im in mortar tp at 42! so i still think i know the system at ctc.
training hasn't as such got easier i feel, however i would say theres a lot less emphasis on bull-shit baffles brains! thats not to say it doesn't happen because nearly everytime i go through the main gate at lympstone theres someone polishing them damn cannons.
about swearing at the recruits is wrong, if you mess up, im sure you all know the training team isn't just going to think about what you've done, his first reaction would be something along the lines of "you f*%^ing thick Tw*t!" and thrashings do still go on, not has much as they used to, but if you mess up the field you will catch it up. many a time i found myself piss wet through, theres always a stream or very big puddles lurking somewhere. i found myself on mud-runs if the troop admin wasn't squared away.
and finally and most importantly, the intensity of training is stiil there, a recruit in training is stiil put under the same physical and mental strains as they were 30 years ago. i couldn't walk going into my commando tests or after, i was told to crack on and not to drip many others have done it before you, so i did and 3 weeks later i was listening to the adjutant shout `ROYAL MARINES, TO YOUR DUTIES, QUICK MARCH'!!!! see, hasn't changed!
Sharif
everybody goes on about training, and how its changed. i've been out of training for only 8 months im in mortar tp at 42! so i still think i know the system at ctc.
training hasn't as such got easier i feel, however i would say theres a lot less emphasis on bull-shit baffles brains! thats not to say it doesn't happen because nearly everytime i go through the main gate at lympstone theres someone polishing them damn cannons.
about swearing at the recruits is wrong, if you mess up, im sure you all know the training team isn't just going to think about what you've done, his first reaction would be something along the lines of "you f*%^ing thick Tw*t!" and thrashings do still go on, not has much as they used to, but if you mess up the field you will catch it up. many a time i found myself piss wet through, theres always a stream or very big puddles lurking somewhere. i found myself on mud-runs if the troop admin wasn't squared away.
and finally and most importantly, the intensity of training is stiil there, a recruit in training is stiil put under the same physical and mental strains as they were 30 years ago. i couldn't walk going into my commando tests or after, i was told to crack on and not to drip many others have done it before you, so i did and 3 weeks later i was listening to the adjutant shout `ROYAL MARINES, TO YOUR DUTIES, QUICK MARCH'!!!! see, hasn't changed!
Sharif