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Well who was worse? Stalin or Hitler?

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Read an article which says that Stalin and the old Soviet Union were worse than the Nazis. I don`t think they were. If Stalin was so bad, then how come million`s of Russians were devastated when he died, and how come some old Russians still love him today? Is it because he made the Soviet Union a Superpower, or was it because of the propaganda? Hitler did the same thing also. at first, the Germans loved him, then... well, we all know what happened next! If it came to the body count, then Stalin would win. if you count the million`s he sent to the Gulags, and the millions who were worked to death, the millions he had executed, and the million`s who died during the Stalingrad fiasco, and Berlin at the end of the war, Stalin`s the greatest killer ever. But if you include the war, which Hitler was responsible for, he`s the greatest killer ever. But if you include all the all the other people that Hitler had killed, not just the Holocaust, which was only the Jews, Hitler`s still nearly the worse mass murderer, if you include the Gypsies, gays, handicapped, poles, Russians even Germans, not even counting the 1000`s he had killed after a failed assassination attempt, Hitler`s possibly the greatest killer in history- also Hitler committed mass genocide - and where ever Hitler invaded, they tended to be mass slaughter. Stalin didn`t do that, nor he he commit genocide. Nor was he a madman. But Stalin`s still probably the greatest mass murderer. The countries which have killed the most people in order, are the Soviet Union, China, Germany, Japan and Cambodia.
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I'm going to sit on the fence and say they were as bad as each other. All dictators share the same characteristics their manifestations are just different according to circumstance. Saddam Hussein gassed Kurds like Hitler gassed Jews the difference being it would be too obvious to do it on a industrial scale as Hitler did with the UN keeping having a butcher's. The Soviet Union being how big it was required alot of killings to keep complete power for Stalin, there probably would be the same 10 million if Amine, Pot, Hussein or Moa had been in charge of the USSR for the same amount of time, its all part of the paranoid mega-lo-maniac dictator regime.
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In terms of mass murder Stalin had the upper hand. He was intolerant of failure and required the death of any of his generals who were deemed 'weak'. Estimates of Stalin's legacy often exceed 23 million.

Try that again..........23 million.

Hitler was a chav by comparison. In the latter months of the war he retained 23-30 k of his troops exterminating POWs, Labourers and ethnic minorities.

Those troops were sorely needed on the Easten front, but were kept at their tasks until the very end.
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Ah, Hitler wasn't so bad, well he hated you English, so I guess that is bad for you.
Stalin was a murderer, so was Lincoln, JFK and LBJ, Nixon and well all of them from Lincoln on. Marx in his self inspired more mass murder than christianity and Isalm. Hitler killed Jews, Jews kill arabs, we killed indians and at one time you killed us.

Maybe there is no worse in it, just how things work, everyone at some time has to kill somebody?
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Possibly Hitler may have exterminated more people if he had won the war and had absolute power for the same amount time as Stalin of the proposed Third Reich, that would stretch from Britain and France to the Ural Mountains.

Stalin's actual stats are more impressive, Hitler did have as much potential if things went his way. It is important however to take heed of the lessons of history and remember never to trust a man with a mustache.
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Yeah Hitler was getting pretty damn efficient. But had Hitler it down to a science. Assymbly line death. THen again could you imagine populations and global warming had psycho's like Hitler and Stalin not done what they did?
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A little of the thread but try reading "The forgotten soldier" a story of a young french/german lad who joined as a driver and found himself in the SS GROSSDEAUTCHLAND, fantastic read and shows what life was like as a youth in WW2, gets into great detail regarding the popovs or russians
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whats worse then someone who leads a goverment that commits mass genocide, but the leader doesnt pull the trigger himself...........or.....someone who kills 10, 20, 50 people with his own hands? Shipman for instance?

Hitler was a monster but was only successful at being so because otehr monsters were willing to do the dirty work and take pleasure in doing so. Whos worse the man who gives the orders or the man who carries them out?

Germany (Bavaria from my experience) is still rife with National Socialist tendencies, as are parts of Austria. Wasnt all Hitlers doing he was merely the figurehead for a whole bunch of homocidle loons who blundgeoned their way into power.

Not a supporter of Hitler by any means, by it takes more than one to tango and whos the worse in that scenerio, the brain that gives the orders or the hand that takes delight in carrying those orders out?
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Not a supporter of Hitler :o Not a supporter of Hitler :evil:
Do what? :o
What`s up wiv you? Jew wanna slap son :evil: Me old run ashore buddy was a real nice bloke, a real gent, total stacks rate and ver ver handy when it came to fisticuffs. Total animal but what a top geezer :roll: Fantastic bloke, or what son? He was my best man at me first weddin `e was. Me an old Adolf, we used to be like that 8)
Now yer Joe Stalin, `e was a nasty bit of work, too right John no wot I mean. I first met `im when he was doing a five stretch up the scrubs. Right nonce `e was, always going on about the twenty five mills what `e done down the east end. Leave it out son, I says to him. I gives a pony to big Maurice an `e sorted that geezer out down the exercise yard, didn`t he, hey. Cossack dancin is over for you, my son. Eight weeks in traction and being fed up is nose showed im who`s the daddy , no what I mean son?
Now what was the name of that other sort you was goin on about? Pol? Oh yes I knows im. Pol Pot. Started off on the door where he proved to be very handy, then `e did a bit of "mindin" before `e moved into the cut and shut game and then he`s running a string of gels up west, posh sorts mostly. We never got on after I done his missus in Tramps an `ee found out. From Isleworth `e was, or was it `ounslow? Pol Pot was wot we called the geezer. His real name was Paul Potts...........


Harry, why are all the tops missing off these Lumopens :o

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There all as bad as each other there own way.
Jenny ED wrote:If Stalin was so bad, then how come million`s of Russians were devastated when he died
When i did my GCSE in history one of the subjects was WW2/cold war and we had a lesson just about Mr Joe himself.


I cant remember how it went exactly but before he died he made plans for when he did snuff it to have people watching him for a week before the funeral to make sure he was actualy dead.

It said that people were afraid to talk about him in the same room as his corpse incase he did come back to life and kill them for talking about what he did.

Also with regards to what Doc said about shipman they reacon it could be anywhere up to 250 people he killed himself but they will never know.

Dr's eh?
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I'm old enough to remember the burning of the synagogue and the
jibing and persecution of the Jews -

Mind you - that was in Gateshead, County Durham........

Unfortunately there's a bit of Hitler, Stalin and the others in many of us.
It only takes a bit of scratching of the surface and a beating of the drum and waving of the flag and who knows ?
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Also with regards to what Doc said about shipman they reacon it could be anywhere up to 250 people he killed himself but they will never know.

Dr's eh?

Ive only killed one! He was sat in the hearing test booth and I accidently wired it up wrong, he heard the beep, pressed the button and shot out of the roof. Landed in Mutley (Took off from Seaton)

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I have had it with Doctors, if it is obvious they dont bother, if the drugs will damage their budget they dont bother, if the referral letter is more than two lines they dont bother, and when you do get reffered the twonk gets off on hearing "your story", but......if your a black lesbian wheelchairbound drug addict with 6 kids and havent worked in your life you get it all and for free!
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Mind you - that was in Gateshead, County Durham........

Gateshead in County Durham?????????
I was born in that hell hole but thought it was classed as Tyneside?
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When Stalin finally took power he threw a party, invited all his friends, got drunk, played the accordion, and a week later had them all executed.

Whatever the Nazis did on mass the Soviets did too(although usually less organised). The Soviets were sending Jews off to labour camps to die as well, except there were so many regular people as well that it didn't look like he was singling them out. If you look at the survival rates of the German death camps and the Soviet Labour camps you'll probably see they were the same.

Stalin killed almost 30 million of his own people, Hitler only killed under 2 if I'm not mistaken.

Both were completely shit crazy, just one happened to lose! I'm sure if Hitler won we'd be be watching movies about the "evil soviets" and such.

Both are equally evil in my books, but numerically speaking Mao has both them beat by killing over 70 million of his own people. :o
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