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did anyone else watch the death of the ex para who was killed in police custody. i couldnt believe what i was seeing , he was just lying there obviously he couldnt breath and still they didnt check him. what a waste of a life . condolences to his family

Yeah I saw it, I bet nothing gets done about it though
Thought it was disgraceful, you could tell he wasn't breathing he was totally still.

When armed police raided a house here they shot and killed a chap who was naked in bed, they let the Police Officer get away with it as he said he was frightened. Now Phil Legg of the Parachute Regiment got life for shooting dead two car theives that smashed through a road block in Northern Ireland. He was one of five soldiers who opened fire on the car and all though they could not prove he fired the fatal shots that killed them, he still wound up getting life for manslaughter. So if you want to get away with murder just join the Police.

I think you'll find something will get done about it.

My dad is doing the case against the police.

He had to watch it and take notes. Not much fun.

Mike

Tab wrote:When armed police raided a house here they shot and killed a chap who was naked in bed, they let the Police Officer get away with it as he said he was frightened. Now Phil Legg of the Parachute Regiment got life for shooting dead two car theives that smashed through a road block in Northern Ireland. He was one of five soldiers who opened fire on the car and all though they could not prove he fired the fatal shots that killed them, he still wound up getting life for manslaughter. So if you want to get away with murder just join the Police.

That is a complete joke, i have never heard anything like it. The justice system is a complete shambles. THATS why i dont like the police.

Now Phil Legg of the Parachute Regiment got life for shooting dead two car theives that smashed through a road block in Northern Ireland.

If I was him, Having got life and my career ruined, I'd have nothing else to lose. I'd batter the judge, the jury and any other f@#k who intervened.

That story has made me mad. Never mind mad about the Justice system. I'm proud enough to want to want to join the Paras, but that makes me ashamed to be British.

the british justice system is a complete joke. people are getting life sentances but are out in half the time. iam no racist but that is on of the policies that i belive the bnp has got right. the system needs to be toughened up. i also belive bring bck the death penalty.

carlisle-youth wrote:the british justice system is a complete joke. people are getting life sentances but are out in half the time. iam no racist but that is on of the policies that i belive the bnp has got right. the system needs to be toughened up. i also belive bring bck the death penalty.

I dont belive in the death penalty. Phill Legg would be a dead man walking now wouldnt he?? Why?? Because he was doing his job and the crappy justice system decide he is to do life, when they couldn't even prove it was his bullets that killed the two men.

One point to consider about the Private Lee Clegg (not Phil Legg!) incident is that had members of the patrol not faked an injury to another patrol member, he would have probably not been prosecuted.

The fact that his fellow patrol members hit one of the lads legs to make it look like he'd been hit by the vehicle, and in front of an RUC officer as well, was pretty damning. Had this not taken place, Clegg may have been given the benefit of the doubt, within the parameters of the Yellow Card.

The shoot itself was, in my opinion justified, given the what I know of the circumstances. The patrol, including Clegg, made decisions based on the best info they had at the time and acted accordingly. It was after the rounds had been fired, and the dust was starting to settle, that they made the decision to alter the circumstances.

As posted on another site "Catalogue of errors followed by massive cover up".
Says it all I think.

Sadly Lee Clegg fell foul (IMHO) of the old rules of engagment problem.

In his position many trained soldiers would have reacted the same

Unluckily for him he was that man.

Needless to say the rules of engagement have been changed a bit now

I stand corrected about Lee Clegg's name, as I worked with a Phil Legg for a number of years. Still getting back to the shooting, it was later found by the fall of the empty cartrigde cases that he could not have fired the fatal shots that killed them. Still it was a trial with out a jury it just down to a judge to say if he felt he was innocent or guilty then sentance him.

i seem to remember Lee Clegg (if he's the one i'm thinking of, ex 3 para) was joining the police when he got out of prison, read this like last year or so.

Lee Clegg rejoined his Regiment after this as soon made corpral.

The Clegg case was slightly more complex than that boys.

Gore.