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How about the sa80 a2? is it as bad as eveyone says? why arent the army provided alternative weapons such as the m16's or ak47's?

Ive read that these are superior to the sa80 and the special forces would rather use a ak47.

How many rounds can the sa80 clip hold and does it fire singleshot, short burst and auto/rapid fire?

day tripper wrote:How about the sa80 a2? is it as bad as eveyone says? why arent the army provided alternative weapons such as the m16's or ak47's?

Ive read that these are superior to the sa80 and the special forces would rather use a ak47.

How many rounds can the sa80 clip hold and does it fire singleshot, short burst and auto/rapid fire?

Although I dont have tonnes of information on this topic raised, I think it's safe to say that the reason the army aint kitted out with M16's because it would be too expensive.

And they do, as you say, fire single, short burst, rapid. (I think )

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There are a couple of huge posts about the SA80 on this site

Click Here

...and here

SA80



The SA 80 Individual Weapon is the Britsh Forces's Standard combat rifle, made by Heckler and Koch (UK) and fires NATO standard 5.56 x 45mm ammunition; and has been in service since 1985.

• Weight 4.98kg complete with loaded magazine and optical sight.
• Length 750mm.
• Muzzle Velocity 940m/s.
• Feed 30 round magazine.
• Effective range 500m.
• Cyclic Rate of Fire 610/770 rounds/min.


Light Support Weapon



From the same family as the SA 80 Individual weapon, the LSW has a heavier and longer barrel, allowing greater muzzle velocity and accuracy than the Individual Weapon. When fired from the integrated bipod, and using the standard SUSAT sight, the LSW is impressively accurate and consistent.

• Weight 7.28kg with loaded magazine and optical sight;
• Length 900mm;
• Muzzle Velocity 940m/s;
• Feed 30 round magazine;
• Effective Range 500m;
• Cyclic Rate of Fire 610-770 rounds/min.

And If you want to know about the replacement for the SA80;



• Weight 9 lbs
• Length 49 inches
• Feed 1 round breech;
• Range 1300 yards
• Cyclic Rate of Fire a few rounds/min.

Current 'Heavy Weapons' favourite seen below

I have used both the AK 47 and the AS80-2, and they are boith good weapons and they both date back to end of WW2 when they first designed.

i have also fired sa80 a1,a2 ak-47,m16 etc and found the following:
1.ak -not to accurate,heavy kick,poor ammunition.
2sa80a1-accurate but very prone to stoppages.
3.m16 good all round weapon slightly longer in lenght than sa80
4. sa80 a2 best iv'e ever fired ,accurate,sturdy and gives you confidence.
no stoppages reported in my unit yet,so it must be good as we do have some shooting biffs.

I read a report today which stated that the SA80 mk2 had behaved very well out in Irqa, but the LSW was still giving cause for concern and that could well be scrapped and replaced with the Belgian Minie gun.

i also doubted the sa80a2 but after using it in iraq i am convinced it is good but only after it is fired in so the old 5 10 rounds into the butts without cleaning afterwards is imperative also the yanks informed us they were having a lot of problems with the m16

The Americans had a great deal of trouble with the M16 in Vietnam, they also found the main trouble was that it was not been cleaned as often as it should. In the finish they had to send instructors around all the units drumming it into the squaddies just how important it was to to keep your gun clean and clean every time you have used or when you have a spareminute just go over it. Once they had got the message out the performance of the M16 improved greatly.

Alledgedly the SA80 is to be replaced in the next seven years by the HK G36...

Has anyone seen this beast? The Belgian F2000

Yea I was reading about both of them, they sound really cool (not that I know much bout guns and stuff) the FN f2000 looks like something out of star wars OHH SOOOOOO COOL!!!

i hope not the bareels on them 2 are a lot smaller

mattt_h wrote:i hope not the bareels on them 2 are a lot smaller

Why do you need a longer barrel when the FN2000 has a computerised fire control module/sight.

Barrel lengths are as follows SA80A2 580MM
G36 480MM
G36K 320MM
G36C 228MM
FN F2000 400MM

Is there any ex or serving soldiers out there, which one of these new rifles would you prefer...

lew