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Lew, just out of interest, when would you suggest this 'cull' is held. Name a period which would be suitable.

I'd just like to add my two cents into this discussion as a lifelong hunter. First , I've killed several foxes while small game hunting and even had a red fox mounted . That particular one was coming out of a groundhog hole, another one I killed was sick and it attacked me. I've never hunted using any kind of animal like dogs , although I personally know lots of hunters that have, especially for bird hunting. Second, and I'm not trying to be disrespectful of other cultures , but in my opinion using animals to hunt another animal is un sportsman . Again this is only my opinion and I'm sure there's bird and fox hunters that will take issue.

El Prez wrote:Lew, just out of interest, when would you suggest this 'cull' is held. Name a period which would be suitable.

Prez, I’m not saying it should happen, but if fox hunting were to "keep" numbers down then they would do something along the lines of a cull.

Fox hunting is a blood sport and is as out dated as cock fighting. Why should animals tear the shit out of each other for these people and their personal amusement is beyond me, it really is?

Its just blood lust, and nothing more.


lew

Prez, one thing we can be certain of is that lew would strictly forbid the "cull" from being executed with any sort of flair or style. Fun would be prohibited.

I was waiting for Snyder`s cynical, sarcastic remark.


Right on cue Snydy



PS. Are you called Brent or Sidney?

KlinkKlank wrote:I was waiting for Snyder`s cynical, sarcastic remark.


Right on cue Snydy

You know how it works, no intelligent argument, he may as well just try to wind people up .

Oh well back to the subscription forums.


lew

Lew, I think I'm right in saying that the people who go hunting care more about animals, of all types, than the people from the anti fraternity who are opposed to hunting.
I have more concern for my dogs than for any upright ape. I have killed a badly injured wild animal, rather than let it die slowly out in the open. I was castigated by a tree hugger for taking it's life!
Hunting is perhaps the perjorative word. If it was called 'Culling by Hound' would that help. Don't think so. The major problem here is not with the way the fox is despatched, but with the perceived 'type'/'class' of person involved. There Labour have scored an own goal; they are seen as being opposed to a group of people, who know that their way of life is not understood.
I have had arguments with many Uni graduates, and finally I have asked where they get their experience/info from.
reply, "Oh we went to a lecture by the LACS"
Before deciding definitely that hunting is a no-no, take a day out in the open air. Start around 0530, feed well beforehand and wrap up warm. Enjoy a frosty day witht he colours and scents of the open countryside. maybe you will even see a fox. Many hunts never do. What you will definitely see is a group of people dedicated to their animals and friends, enjoying a healthy pusuit. Of course it's not healthy for the fox.
However, if you were the quarry, what would you prefer.
The opportunity to leg it over open country with which you are familiar, and escape if you use your skill and fitness.
A bullet or shotgun wound.
Or gas pouring into your home, killing you, your vixen and cubs.

I'd rather run for my life. I wouldn't get far in my state, but that's the way i'd go.

I like that word, vixen

El Prez wrote:Lew, I think I'm right in saying that the people who go hunting care more about animals, of all types, than the people from the anti fraternity who are opposed to hunting.

That all comes down to each individual I think, I agree that most of the anti hunt protesters and animal rights campaigners are not there because they "genuinely" care about animals, but more because they are looking for a cause. And get their kicks from protesting, there is something wrong with these people.

I have more concern for my dogs than for any upright ape. I have killed a badly injured wild animal, rather than let it die slowly out in the open. I was castigated by a tree hugger for taking its life!

I also have dogs and cats, and agree with you there, i care more about them than most people I know, killing an injured animal for a quicker death is no different than turning of the life support machine in a hospital.

Hunting is perhaps the perjorative word. If it was called 'Culling by Hound' would that help. Don't think so. The major problem here is not with the way the fox is despatched

This is entirely the problem I have with it; it’s the way the fox actually dies. It is just about as horrible death it can have if/when its caught. No creature deserves to go through something that horrific.

but with the perceived 'type'/'class' of person involved. There Labour have scored an own goal; they are seen as being opposed to a group of people, who know that their way of life is not understood.

toffs are an entity all of their own aren’t they, and I don’t think anyone can understand "them" fully unless you are born into their social group. I personally try to judge people as i find them, something that I have learnt mainly from this site. I just simply don’t agree with what they do!

I have had arguments with many Uni graduates, and finally I have asked where they get their experience/info from.
reply, "Oh we went to a lecture by the LACS"

Students live on their own planet mate. Some of the most intelligent people (academically) I know are students, but they don’t have the common sense needed to boil pasta. Others seem to think that going to uni means growing their hair long, and throwing red paint at people, buildings with chants of murderer, as I said earlier I don’t think these people really care, they just get caught up in the whole moment. And the ones that do care are labelled with everyone else.

Before deciding definitely that hunting is a no-no, take a day out in the open air. Start around 0530, feed well beforehand and wrap up warm. Enjoy a frosty day witht he colours and scents of the open countryside. maybe you will even see a fox. Many hunts never do.

I try to spend as much time as I can in the country side, I got back last night from a trip to the lake district, myself and a friend spent the past 3 days walking around Windermere, I personally love being out there, but I have always liked the out doors.

What you will definitely see is a group of people dedicated to their animals and friends, enjoying a healthy pusuit. Of course it's not healthy for the fox.

I have no doubt that they do, but is there not another way without potentially ending another creatures life for sport.

However, if you were the quarry, what would you prefer.
The opportunity to leg it over open country with which you are familiar, and escape if you use your skill and fitness.
A bullet or shotgun wound.
Or gas pouring into your home, killing you, your vixen and cubs.

I'd rather run for my life. I wouldn't get far in my state, but that's the way i'd go.

That’s one way of looking at it, and if I had no choice I to would run.
I just don’t think the fox should be put in the situation where it has to.

If its in a farmers crop or stealing chickens then fine, if you have to, shoot it, its kinder than tearing it to pieces with a pack of dogs.

I am not against hunting in its entirety, I have no problems with hunting for food, its just hunting for sport I don’t like. Rome wasn’t built in a day and I believe that eventually people will stop hunting for sport, but it will take time.

I don’t think we will ever change one another’s views on subjects such as this, but it is nice to have a proper, debate without childish comments being made.

Sorry for long post.

lew

O.K., but I still like that word, vixen.

Artist wrote:

A "Gentleman" showing off his catch and his "HEM, HEM" Tackle.
You never see tackle like that in the Angling Shop mind!

Artist

Mine is nearly as big as that!!!