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SO19 wrote:Holger, were using GMLRS out in Afghan.

Cool..
A 200 pund warhead will level most buildings.
Or 9 like the Yanks.

Maybe an ATACMS unitary could do the job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgzIzcS3cA8
A 500 lb unitary HE warhead with a range of more than 300 km(186 miles).
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/data/assets/12818.pdf

Actually 200lb is not that much.The beauty of GMLRS is that it can get a 200lb warhead to the exact co-ords passed to the rocket system,which means a minimal collateral damage issue.Of course the system is only as good as the accuracy of the co-ords passed.

supFAC wrote

Just make sure you dont get one off 9th/12th as it will never work.

I always thought the birds nest in the engine compartment was a urban myth. Is it true your guys are being sent home early from Iraq. Bet there chuffed with that. Unless there desperate for the LSSA or Operational Bonus.

Hey Greenronnie nowdays theres a CVR(T) everywhere. Unless its broke down that is or pulling a 3Para Wimik out of a ditch. Last year in Helmand we had to leave a Scimitars engine running all the time because if we turned it off it would never start again

SupFAC wrote:Actually 200lb is not that much.The beauty of GMLRS is that it can get a 200lb warhead to the exact co-ords passed to the rocket system,which means a minimal collateral damage issue.Of course the system is only as good as the accuracy of the co-ords passed.

All you need is one of these in every infantry and recce platoons.



http://www.itlasers.com/pdf/explorer.pdf

A 100km+ versions of the GMLRS is on it's way.

The GMLRS ER (Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System Extended Range) is a variant of the M30 rocket developed to play the Concept Technology Demonstrator (CTD) role for the United Kingdom (UK) Ministry of Defense (MoD) Indirect Fire Precision Attack (IFPA) program. The developmental contract for IFPA was issued by the MoD to MBDA in April 2004. Since then, MBDA in partnership with Lockheed-Martin have been working on the GMLRS ER.

The GMLRS ER rocket demonstrator features an extended range out to 100 kilometers which one of the key for the IFPA munitions requirement. The rocket demonstrator test firings concluded in July 2005 at the White Sands Missile Range, New Mexico. During the flight tests, the GMLRS ER performed at higher altitude and at higher speeds than the standard M30 rocket.

http://www.deagel.com/Rockets/GMLRS-ER_a001107003.aspx

Excalibur 155mm block 1B(100 lb) has a range of almost 50km.
http://atk.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=pr ... s&item=362

Both GMLRS and Excalibur comes in unitary and sub-munition versions.

HCR wrote:Hey Greenronnie nowdays theres a CVR(T) everywhere.

Funny that, never saw a single one when we were out. Not trying to say you didn't do your bit, as I know you did, I'm sure you were spread as thin as everyone else. My point is that it isn't something you can just call up on the radio as you can with CAS or arty.

Funny that, never saw a single one when we were out. Not trying to say you didn't do your bit, as I know you did, I'm sure you were spread as thin as everyone else. My point is that it isn't something you can just call up on the radio as you can with CAS or arty.

Well we lost 2 and one very badly burned on a pointless OP to get you PF Lads out of Musa Qula in August last year. Disapointed you dont know about that. We also had a Troop permately based at Sangin where we lost another Lad and another Troop at Nowzad. The other 2 Troops would of spent the majority of the time in the Desert on different OPs or protecting the GunLine. But acording to the Press and reading all the books that have been written only 3Para were out there. No wonder most people still think all that HCav do is ride around London on a bleeding Horse.

And I was speaking tounge in cheek about us being everywhere Greenronnie. I know you cant just call upon us, plus our HE rounds were abit usless on them hard baked walls they have out there.Only AP rounds seemed to do any good. Then again we somehow managed to get those CVR(T)s into some good positions on them mountains which wouldnt look posible

I know you cant just call upon us, plus our HE rounds were abit usless on them hard baked walls they have out there.Only AP rounds seemed to do any good.

Are they really that hard...

Check this test of a 30mm, and at what it does to the brick wall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30XX4QcWkTU

He probably means they were too soft and werent detonating.

What good is a high explosive round if it doesnt explode?

They did explode,its just that those mud walls are solid and very very thick so didnt do that well really. Where the AP rounds went through like a hot knife through butter. But out in the open the HE did its job alright. long with the Coax

From the FAC point of view,if you are dropping a bomb on a position that would usually require a 540lb/500lb ,well in Afghan (so I am told) and in Iraq(Iknow) you have to request the aircraft drops a 1000lb. This is due to a lot of the effect being lost becasue the mud buildings are nails and due to it being mud there is very little frag to cause damage.

I wont forget in NowZad on Herrick IV seeing a 500lb'er drop onto a group of Taliban vehicles. One of these vehicles was literally sent sky-high into the air! Quite a sight, and it raised the moral no end.

It will be interesting to see what has changed since 2006 out in Helmand. Hopefully the Para battalions can give the Taliban the same bloody nose as we gave them on herrick IV and try to restore some peace to that place.

HCR wrote:They did explode,its just that those mud walls are solid and very very thick so didnt do that well really. Where the AP rounds went through like a hot knife through butter. But out in the open the HE did its job alright. long with the Coax

This is a pretty amazing 30mm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpELy3H1-6o

HCR wrote:Well we lost 2 and one very badly burned on a pointless OP to get you PF Lads out of Musa Qula in August last year. Disapointed you dont know about that. And I was speaking tounge in cheek about us being everywhere Greenronnie.

Of course I know about that, I was there for Gods sake. When I heard of the plan to put you guys through the enemy area I acually said what a stupid decision it was. But as you didn't get to us (and that isn't a slagging) we never got to see you, as I said.

The whole point of what I was on about was that you have to physically be with the troops you are supporting, you aren't an asset that can be called on such as artillery or fast air.