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freer07 wrote:Hi all, sorry to go off the original question a bit here but my birthday was a while ago, and all my friends think I'm a gym freak so one of them bought me some Maximuscle Createmax. He said it would put my strength up and build muscle, bal bla bla my problem is I am trying to lose weight. Does this createmax make you gain weight?
Thanks in advance

It should only be in muscle.
Most of it depends on your diet and lifestyle.

freer07 wrote:Hi all, sorry to go off the original question a bit here but my birthday was a while ago, and all my friends think I'm a gym freak so one of them bought me some Maximuscle Createmax. He said it would put my strength up and build muscle, bal bla bla my problem is I am trying to lose weight. Does this createmax make you gain weight?
Thanks in advance

http://www.absolute-creatine.com/
Try that site and have a read up on it and just search around google etc, try and find non bias sites that aren’t pushing there products as sometimes companies will blow there own product out of proportion claming stupid things to get you to by there product.

I'd personally say that you would be ok using it while trying to lose fat, you may gain weight while using it as you retain more water, but you certainly can still effectively burn fat while using it.

Make sure you know what any substance you put in your body does/can do, even with harmless things like creatine it's still worth knowing the facts. The need to take on more water whilst using it is something worth knowing etc.

Taking it wont stop you from losing fat but as I said it's worth knowing your weight may temporarily go up due to retaining fluid. Knowledge is everything when it comes to what you put in/ do to your body. Don’t take our word for it, always check your self as I’m sure you see sometimes people give out bad/ potentially harmful advice… you only have one body.

That’s my opinion on it anyways.

All the best

Stokey

Stokey_14 wrote:

StrongerFaster wrote:You won't be needing protein shakes unless your doing weight lifting, if you really feel the need not to just drink water, then you should have some high sugar drink.

Hate to seem picky but what the hell, nothing else to do at the moment

Protein shakes are a supplement, every body (training or other wise) needs protein to rebuild damaged tissue. People who train need more because of the amount of damage they do to there muscles. A runner would benefit from getting the required amounts of protein for his or her body (through shakes or otherwise) just as much as a weight lifter, not saying one doesn't need more than the other, which also depends on many other various factors.

So basically anyone who isn't getting the right amount of protein from there diet would benefit from taking a supplement .

Just being picky, but to say only a weight lifter would benefit just stood out to me and I think Spence's last post just about tied it all up so I shall say no more.

Sorry for being picky (no harm meant )

All the best

Stokey

P.S. I think I over used the word picky a bit there

Have to disagree with you there, you only need huge ammounts of protein if your looking to increase the ammount of muscle you have (if you do want to do this I suggest 1gram of protein per lb of mass). The reason for that is that when body building or strength training you make mico tears in your muscles that need to be repaired with proteins and carbs because your pushing your muscles to breaking point litteraly.

While doing endurance running I really can't see you causing microtears in your muscles, so I don't think you would need large ammounts of protein. What I think you would need is to get back the used up energy quickly so you don't feel worn out for your next training session which is why I suggested sugary drinks.

Also I'm not sure why steroids is floating around but if you want to join the armed services don't take them, even if they do let you in, you will have a bunch of mainly useless mass, so unless your into your thighs chafing on marches I wouldn't.

Personally unless your about 200lb with 8% bf I don't think you need to be taking supplements you should be able to get everything you need from normal food. I live off milk, eggs, chicken and pasta.

StrongerFaster wrote:

Stokey_14 wrote:

StrongerFaster wrote:You won't be needing protein shakes unless your doing weight lifting, if you really feel the need not to just drink water, then you should have some high sugar drink.

Hate to seem picky but what the hell, nothing else to do at the moment

Protein shakes are a supplement, every body (training or other wise) needs protein to rebuild damaged tissue. People who train need more because of the amount of damage they do to there muscles. A runner would benefit from getting the required amounts of protein for his or her body (through shakes or otherwise) just as much as a weight lifter, not saying one doesn't need more than the other, which also depends on many other various factors.

So basically anyone who isn't getting the right amount of protein from there diet would benefit from taking a supplement .

Just being picky, but to say only a weight lifter would benefit just stood out to me and I think Spence's last post just about tied it all up so I shall say no more.

Sorry for being picky (no harm meant )

All the best

Stokey

P.S. I think I over used the word picky a bit there

Have to disagree with you there, you only need huge ammounts of protein if your looking to increase the ammount of muscle you have (if you do want to do this I suggest 1gram of protein per lb of mass). The reason for that is that when body building or strength training you make mico tears in your muscles that need to be repaired with proteins and carbs because your pushing your muscles to breaking point litteraly.

While doing endurance running I really can't see you causing microtears in your muscles, so I don't think you would need large ammounts of protein. What I think you would need is to get back the used up energy quickly so you don't feel worn out for your next training session which is why I suggested sugary drinks.

Also I'm not sure why steroids is floating around but if you want to join the armed services don't take them, even if they do let you in, you will have a bunch of mainly useless mass, so unless your into your thighs chafing on marches I wouldn't.

Personally unless your about 200lb with 8% bf I don't think you need to be taking supplements you should be able to get everything you need from normal food. I live off milk, eggs, chicken and pasta.

I understand what you are saying, but as far as I’m aware and from my own experience, long distance running does indeed cause Micro tears thus needs protein to rebuild, now I’ll take boxing for example, not all boxer lift weight I know Bernard Hopkins Use's old school method such as body weight exercises etc now his training will need a substantial amount of calories to maintain a certain weight. Due to high amounts of intense cardio.

So lets say someone here trains like Bernard Hopkins (hypothetically speaking) and they struggled or found it an inconvenience to get all there calories from solid meals. Too bump up there protein and calorie intake they could use a whey protein shake once or twice a day.

It might not be optimal but it is convenient for them. Thus meaning a non lifting person is directly benefiting for using a supplement.

I understand bodybuilders etc may need more calories for what they are trying to achieve but that’s not to say a supplement such as Whey couldn't benefit a non-lifter.

Also with the 'sugary' drink after training, wouldn't you be better of getting a small amount of simple carbs (possible a sugar like dextrose), accompanied with plenty of protein and complex carbs? The reason for the simple carbs is to create a insulin spike, to help get the nutrient to the muscles faster ) and the other two to help recovery... sugar its self being used to get energy level back up for the next training sessions in my opinion might not be worth doing as it would only bring a short term energy boost and un-less you have another session planed later that day you'd be better for with some complex carbs to re-energize your self?

Could be wrong on the last paragraph, bit sketchy on some of the information.

Not trying to argue or anything, just saying it as I see it, debating etc .

Stokey

StrongerFaster wrote:While doing endurance running I really can't see you causing microtears in your muscles, so I don't think you would need large ammounts of protein.

_chris wrote:

StrongerFaster wrote:While doing endurance running I really can't see you causing microtears in your muscles, so I don't think you would need large ammounts of protein.

I don't see microtears being caused either, but then again I'm not a microscope.

Running still creates a need for muscle rebuild and repair which requires protein. Stokey you are correct about the simple carbs creating an insulin spike which in theory shuttles nutrients into the muscles. Although as I'm sure you know, if a muscle is desensitised to insulin, then all of those nutrients get shuttled to fat cells instead.

Spence wrote:

_chris wrote:

StrongerFaster wrote:While doing endurance running I really can't see you causing microtears in your muscles, so I don't think you would need large ammounts of protein.

I don't see microtears being caused either, but then again I'm not a microscope.

Running still creates a need for muscle rebuild and repair which requires protein. Stokey you are correct about the simple carbs creating an insulin spike which in theory shuttles nutrients into the muscles. Although as I'm sure you know, if a muscle is desensitised to insulin, then all of those nutrients get shuttled to fat cells instead.

I did know this, but what are your views on it... worth purposely causing a insulin spike or not? (If it was only after exercise and at no other point during the day) I’ve always been lead to believe that this can be beneficial?

Stokey

Stokey_14 wrote:
I did know this, but what are your views on it... worth purposely causing a insulin spike or not? (If it was only after exercise and at no other point during the day) I’ve always been lead to believe that this can be beneficial?

Stokey

Hell yes. The key is controling these spikes so that your muscles do not become desensitised to it. As it is only carbohydrates (particularly simple, but also to a lesser extent starchy) that cause this spike it's suggested that carbohydrate intake be limited to only certain parts of the day. The only exception to this rule is regarding veggies, eat a decent amount with each meal of the day.

Good that’s what I’ve been trying to do... normally place some dextrose into my post work out shake and avoid "un- natural" sugar's as much as possible.

Does it really make a difference what a use to crate a post work out spike? Glucose ,Fructose, Lactose ,Maltose etc or is sugar when it comes to causing insulin spikes?

Stokey

Unfortunatly mate, that's a bit beyond my area of expertise! I'm sure there is a difference and that different sugars ellicit a different hormonal response, but if your muscles are decently sensitised to insulin then I think that it comes down to personal preferance/availability. The real difference would probably be minute anyway and irrelevant in real world application. Although I will keep an eye out and keep you posted if I hear anything different!

Top stuff once again Spence, cheers

Stokey

Post workout meal should be something thats high GI (glycaemic index). Glucose/maltose absorbs into the blood the fastest (100), whereas fructose (ie fruit) is only a 20 on the scale, sugar is only moderate (59). A lot of bodybuilders put a squirt of honey into their protein shakes for carbs as that's fairly high.
I don't know how important/how much of an improvement it would make for someone training for the RM though?

This post is really becomming ridiculous. Look it's this simple you're not training for an Ironman, ultramarathon, everest summit so you don't need specialist foods/nutrition/supplements/recovery drinks etc. Simple fact is mixed diet, cut out the cr@p foods as much as possible, oceans of free tap water (no poncy re-hrdation water p!ss) and happy days.

Unless you are powerlifting and want to look like a muscle beach gym h0mo in a muscle shirt you have no need for steroids or creatine etc.

I understand using supplements if you are running a marathon or other decent endurance event but a quick jolly on a treadmill and a few poser curls with the weights does not warrant spending cash on this sh!te.

faddius wrote:This post is really becomming ridiculous. Look it's this simple you're not training for an Ironman, ultramarathon, everest summit so you don't need specialist foods/nutrition/supplements/recovery drinks etc. Simple fact is mixed diet, cut out the cr@p foods as much as possible, oceans of free tap water (no poncy re-hrdation water p!ss) and happy days.

Unless you are powerlifting and want to look like a muscle beach gym h0mo in a muscle shirt you have no need for steroids or creatine etc.

I understand using supplements if you are running a marathon or other decent endurance event but a quick jolly on a treadmill and a few poser curls with the weights does not warrant spending cash on this sh!te.

I did reply to this, but as I had nothing useful or nice to say I deleted it.

faddius wrote:you don't need specialist foods/nutrition/supplements/recovery drinks etc.

I think that in this day and age,with the advancement of sports science,thats a very bold statement indeed.Yes,maybe you don't need to take supplements such as protein or creatine,but there's an awful lot of scientific evidence that proves these things help you achieve your fitness goals,so why not utilise them?and if you don't agree with them yourself fine,don't use them,but don't have a go at other who do.Its ridiculous this culture of seeing supplements as cheating in some way,after all its just a means of a better diet;you wouldn't look at someone eating more bananas and call them a cheat would you?

I can sort of see your point of view I just think you either worded it wrong or can't explain what you mean properly,in that I think sometimes too many people look to supplements as a magic potion to help them get fit,when in alot of cases a healthy balanced diet will suffice.

I can also see the 'old school' view that they didn't have it back then and got by fine,so why should we need it now-Well the truth is we don't,but it helps and with something as hard as RT why not get all the help you can?Back then recruits didn't have all the sports science of today and so didn't have a choice but to crack on as best they could,but our generation does have that choice so why not take it?

A good example is to look at rugby union before it went professional in 95 and after.In the amature days,the forwards were generally big,fat and slow,and the backs short and fast but not very strong.In the pro era the forwards are still big but are alot fitter and carry alot more muscle,and the backs are still quick but much bigger and stronger(look at the average winger or full back before 95 compared to the likes of josh lewsey or ben cohen).This is largely down to sports science including the use of supplements.The game has swapped its post match beer swigging for protein bars and recovery drinks,and as a result the players are bigger,stronger,faster and fitter.