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TK421.... nice to hear your reply....well said....perhaps I did go too far with you ...however SISYPHUS and LEW make my point adequately.

As for my pedigree?
My Boy, I should think that I out do you in all but Physique and that would be only due to my age!

I like many members here, am a retired ROYAL MARINE.....and if you want to see what I look like I suggest you click on my profile.
I do not hide behind the anonymity of my computer as you suggest, First lesson check your facts.
AS for your profile, m'Lad.
It would appear that you have an occupation that I think I could die for Goofballing whatever that may be.
Interests: whatever...well nuff said.... If you want to be considered serious here, I suggest you start with your profile.....How old did you say you were?
Finito....End Ex.

I seriously don't think the rescue was made up but I do think the media exaggerated on many things. At that point in the war with the US forces advancing fairly quickly and not being bogged down in any way, and public opinion in the US high, why would they need to make something like that up?
I deal with encypted devices in my job and everyone that I have worked with knows that U571 the movie and a lot of movies made about historical events aren't accurate.
As far as what countries armed forces are better trained, well thats like comparing apples and oranges for one the US has a totally different defense docturine than the UK and a much larger armed forces with different types of weapons systems that the UK don't even have. Like what someone else has already posted both countries are good at what specific operations that they do. All I'm going to say on this is the armed forces of the USofA are the best armed and best equiped force in the world by a large margin and though a few countries may lay claim to having the best soldiers in a paticular field its irrelavent when trying to compare that with the US based on the fact of our huge superiority in...well everything else.

everyone that I have worked with knows that U571 the movie and a lot of movies made about historical events aren't accurate.

Too true Mike, there's no way William Wallace would have worn that Light Blue woad, it clashed terribly with his Navy tartan throw.

Well that’s Hollyweird for you, wait for 'Gulf War II the movie' and the only British, Aussies or Poles you’ll see will be retreating with the Americains coming to the rescue.


Can’t wait for the remake of the Dam Busters flying B17’s.

All I'm going to say on this is the armed forces of the USofA are the best armed and best equiped force in the world by a large margin and though a few countries may lay claim to having the best soldiers in a paticular field its irrelavent when trying to compare that with the US based on the fact of our huge superiority in...well everything else.

ELMIKE2K3, I agree that the US armed forces are probably the best armed in the world, buy a large margin I don't think so myself.

But to me you just fit the typically stereo type American, I am American we are a big country, with a big army, big burgers and big cars. Just because you have a large army don't mean that they are all well trained, and just because you have all these hi-tec weapons don't mean that all you troops can use them.

I think the US military are getting to big for you boots, and I think its only a matter of time when another September 11th happens, but this time I feel its going to be on a much wider scale. You can not police the world you might have the best intentions at hart, but the fact of the matter is hardly any country in the world likes you, apart from US. You might not care at the moment but one day you will.

Jason is right, if you look back through history every country or empire that has tried to impose its ideals on other un willing countries has eventually lost or been kicked out. This is no different now as it was then.

And I’m afraid you will learn the hard way...


lew

Go away for a few days and look what happens!
Is it the heat - everyone getting a bit heated... make room for me to swing my handbag too!

Going back to that Jessica Lynch thang (Just trying to get the scrap going again, it was slowing down!!) - God knows who's right, it has been all over the papers and main news channels (does that count for anything?)
Hasn't the US put their hands up and said they did "stretch" the truth a bit... the humvee crashed into a tractor and wasn't attacked.. Lynch was not shot but badly injured and received life saving treatment from Iraqi doctors, the hospital then offered to release her and said she was available to be collected and made sure that no Iraqi troops were in the area - but the US still went in "after dark" kicking all the doors down (they weren't locked!!) and fabricated a story - oh yeah, Jessica has got amnesia too, can't remember a bloody thing!
This was reported by US media too... I know it's not the gospel truth, but I love it... good ol' Yanks putting a bit of spin on the war, using the media to gain an advantage and make sure they were getting the support from back home - stir them up - let's fly the Stars n' Stripes and tie a yellow ribbon round the tree... they're just so cute ain't they!?

Crusader,
The humvee was attacked and in the process it crashed. Did you see the shot up, burning, blood covered vehicles on your news? That wasn't just some huge traffic accident in the desert. The door at the hospital was kicked in. They didn't know what to expect on the other side of it. I'm sure the American tax payers will be happy to buy them a new door.
I think the mistake that's being made here is to lump the US military, the civilian leadership, and the US media into one big catagory, as if they're one big entity. Despite whatever conspiracy theories you'd all like to believe they are not. The media did a lot of speculating here and talked to a lot of sources who didn't know what they were talking about. They completely blew it all out of proportion. Like I said the OFFICIAL CENTCOM briefing given by the General(can't remember his name at the monent) DID NOT exagerate. If nobody here wants to look it up on their own, I'll try and find the transcript sometime in the next few days. Or are you saying that they shouldn't have announced the rescue at all? Wouldn't want the American public to hear a bit of good news would we?

And, not trying to pick a fight here, but why is it the job of Hollywood to tell movies from the British point of view? Last time I checked Hollywood was in California USA. I'd like to see more movies, especially war movies, from the UK. The British movies that do get a release over here are generally well liked. Like Trainspotting, Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, Snatch, and I'm going to try and see 28 Days Later sometime next week. I'm sure you guys could make a good war movie if you put your mind to it.

TK421 wrote:
And, not trying to pick a fight here, but why is it the job of Hollywood to tell movies from the British point of view? Last time I checked Hollywood was in California USA. I'd like to see more movies, especially war movies, from the UK. The British movies that do get a release over here are generally well liked. Like Trainspotting, Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, Snatch, and I'm going to try and see 28 Days Later sometime next week. I'm sure you guys could make a good war movie if you put your mind to it.

It isn’t, but when they completely re-write history to suit the arrogant American public when they were no where near the U-571, it tends to get on my and other Brits, Europeans, and just about everyone else’s nerves!!!

When will you learn that you are not the be all and end all on this planet!!!



lew

Hooray! It's kicked off again!!!
Come on boys.... FIX BAYONETS!!!!

Yeah theres a great movie where Squadron Leader Bigglesworth and his itrepid wingman, Ginger land on the the moon in 1929 in their rocket powered Sopwith Snipe.
Sounds utter balls, just like all of those American movies. Surely there is no logic that just because Hollywood is in America means that it should only show history twisted to fit an American hero?
The BBC is based in Britain but certainly doesn't like to portray the British view at all, in fact any other view is openly embraced.

I don't think we are the "end all be all on this planet!!!". U-571 was a work of fiction. I don't think it was intended to be a documentary, just some popcorn munching entertainment. And the Enigma wasn't captured on a sub called U-571 it was the U-110. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong(it's been a long time since I've seen that movie), but wasn't there some text either at the end or beginning of the movie stating that? But I can understand how the British people would be upset about that one.
The point I was trying to make is that it shouldn't be EXPECTED that Americans should make movies for you when you're perfectly capable of making quality movies of your own. If a good war movie comes out of the UK I'll be one of the first in line to see it.

TK421 is right - I was very surprised at the end it came up and state all actual operations and what ships were involved - HMS Boxer (?) etc...
Thats if the bloody cinema audience stay untill the end...
It's like small print!

Be it U-110 or u-571 it doesn’t matter, how well would a film about the lunar landing go down if it was said to be done by Britain and had a British hero who took the first steps on the moon. I’m glad that you understand why it was annoying. If you understand that were are at least closer to agreeing...


lew

Jason The Argonaut, What evidence or examples do you have to suggest that the US armed forces aren't that well trained? Last I checked many countries including your own come to the states to paticipate in various training exercises (top gun/red flag) to name a few and other joint training ops as well as go to the various military schools in the US.
While again I will say that several countries can lay claim to have hardcore well train troops that are as good as there is, no one can really know for sure who is because most of the best skilled are allies.. Yeah your right in that not all the US troops have the know how to operate some of the hi-tech weapons but name one army were the troops can operate every single weapon and vehicle.
I have one question for you "Have you ever met one American that boosted how big and powerful thier country was that wasn't just trying to get on your nerves? Patriotism is big in the US but I don't know of too many people who go out of thier way to shove it down the rest of the worlds throats. Most americans only are concern with thier lives within thier own communities which brings me to the policing the world comment you made IF the US doesn't get involved in an crisis it seems everyone thinks we have an isolationist or unilateralist view and if the US gets involved...well we have either a hidden agenda or we are imperialist, or we are sticking our noses were it don't belong, my feeling is the US is damned if we do (unless its in a paticular countries interest), damned if we don't. As for most countries hating us well it seems to me that its either jealousy, or envy but to me it seems that most peoples beef should be with thier own governments corrupt policies.