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Posted: Wed 19 Dec, 2007 6:04 pm
by SupFAC
''ally'' Ok I see your point mate,however you train in the cold and wet.We train staying at hotels with civvy 4x4's and getting pissed on the RAF budget.I know what I would rather do. Anyway I am too old for that stalking business knees are not to it any more.''cleared live''
Posted: Wed 19 Dec, 2007 6:38 pm
by Paratrooper01
SupFAC wrote:''ally'' Ok I see your point mate,however you train in the cold and wet.We train staying at hotels with civvy 4x4's and getting pissed on the RAF budget.I know what I would rather do. Anyway I am too old for that stalking business knees are not to it any more.''cleared live''
Well im not a sniper, and for the record i never said i was before any "walt" comments come my way but it does look like a good course and i would like to do it one day. The ultimate in green soldiering in my opinion.
As for RAF budget, dont even get me started! 4 weeks in california jumping was a real eye opener.
Its a hard life eh!
GR knows all about grafting.
Posted: Wed 19 Dec, 2007 11:24 pm
by Holger Danske
In Denmark we have different levels of FAC's.
A Danish TACP most have more than 2 years of experience/training before they can be deployed.
Posted: Thu 20 Dec, 2007 11:03 am
by SupFAC
Holger Danske wrote:In Denmark we have different levels of FAC's.
A Danish TACP most have more than 2 years of experience/training before they can be deployed.I was Exercise with one of the Danish TACP gurus he is chief instructor at the FAC school,dodgy name called Jasper. A good bloke and the Danes are pretty good as well.
Posted: Thu 20 Dec, 2007 11:17 am
by Greenronnie
SupFAC wrote:Greenronnie,I we have spoken before.My muckers brother was in your unit ______ Glover.Not heard from you in a while on the other means.
Regards
Yeah, I sacked it over on there ages ago, too many chopsy tossers gobbing off. Every subject degenerates into an argument. Was at Mr G's wedding last year, was a good do.
Posted: Thu 20 Dec, 2007 11:21 am
by Greenronnie
Paratrooper01 wrote:
What looks more ally...more to the point. Carrying a .338 or a tacsat?
GR, Websters t-shirt; i think not! Everyone with their wings will want one of those t-shirts soon. Have yet to find somewhere with HALO t-shirts
I do think!! You must still have your Battalion head on if you think that's ally! I'm surprised you haven't seen the HALO version of that line of t shirts by the way, google 7.62 design. Fos has got one (he saw mine and was straight on the net!)
The results of carrying a tacsat are far more ally than carrying a sniper rifle btw, thought you would have realised that! If you get the chance to do the course you might come across. As for the sniper course, if you're keen to do it you'll definately get the chance where you are now.
Posted: Thu 20 Dec, 2007 3:18 pm
by Paratrooper01
Greenronnie wrote:I do think!! You must still have your Battalion head on if you think that's ally! I'm surprised you haven't seen the HALO version of that line of t shirts by the way, google 7.62 design. Fos has got one (he saw mine and was straight on the net!)
The results of carrying a tacsat are far more ally than carrying a sniper rifle btw, thought you would have realised that! If you get the chance to do the course you might come across. As for the sniper course, if you're keen to do it you'll definately get the chance where you are now.
I was just kidding by the way. i have no idea why i bought it to be honest. Hungover purchase!
Had a look at that HALO one. much more ally.
Yeah, FAC'ing does have its advantages of being able to put on a pretty good fireworks show. Do you think it was effective last year? I just cant believe that we had many confirmed kills using fast air, after all how can you actually tell if youve killed all the enemy in the compound/building if all thats left is a pile of rubble? Due to the long time it takes to bring bombs to targets there is plenty of time for Terry to do a runner.
The Russians failed to use fast air to their advantage due to all the chains of command they had to go through to get permission to drop a bomb, and although we dont have to do alot of that i still feel we take too long to deliver ordinance onto a target. I thought that in Sangin the artillery was good because unlike a fast jet you dont know its coming.
Posted: Thu 20 Dec, 2007 4:09 pm
by SupFAC
Russians had dodgy tactics when using FAC's.In Chechnya the ruskie FAC's would always bring the A/C in over there own head(easyer to control) anyway the rebels figured this out,so a quick back bearing from the direction the A/C came in on,send out your rebel nasty boys on that back bearing and bobs your uncle Ivans your brother the rebels catch the ruskie FAC's everytime. Footage of some poor russian FAC cutting his head cut off is on one of the FAC courses.Lesson is never bring a jet in over your head.
Posted: Fri 21 Dec, 2007 5:56 pm
by Greenronnie
Paratrooper01 wrote:
Yeah, FAC'ing does have its advantages of being able to put on a pretty good fireworks show. Do you think it was effective last year? I just cant believe that we had many confirmed kills using fast air, after all how can you actually tell if youve killed all the enemy in the compound/building if all thats left is a pile of rubble? Due to the long time it takes to bring bombs to targets there is plenty of time for Terry to do a runner.
The Russians failed to use fast air to their advantage due to all the chains of command they had to go through to get permission to drop a bomb, and although we dont have to do alot of that i still feel we take too long to deliver ordinance onto a target. I thought that in Sangin the artillery was good because unlike a fast jet you dont know its coming.
If the firing stops then it's a fair indication that you've taken them out!
I was impressed with the artillery too, for the week or so that we actually had any!
Posted: Fri 21 Dec, 2007 6:40 pm
by HCR
Hey Artillery and Fast Air is all very well. But if you want some good direct fire imediately then the 30mm on a good old clapped out Scimiter is all thats needed
Posted: Fri 21 Dec, 2007 7:09 pm
by SupFAC
HCR with you on the CVR(T) mate.Just make sure you dont get one off 9th/12th as it will never work.
Posted: Fri 21 Dec, 2007 9:33 pm
by Greenronnie
HCR wrote:Hey Artillery and Fast Air is all very well. But if you want some good direct fire imediately then the 30mm on a good old clapped out Scimiter is all thats needed
Good bit of kit, but not exactly indirect fire. Obviously only available when you guys are about too.
Posted: Fri 21 Dec, 2007 10:41 pm
by Holger Danske
Does anyone know if the GMLRS have been used yet?
I think that's the future together with GPS and laser-guided tube artillery/mortars.
There are small LLDR's in development that weighs less than 10 pounds and just looks like a big binocular.
They can designated the target with a laser for GBU's or simply tell you the coordinates of the target that you point it at very precisely.
Put that together with UAV's that can do the same thing and have a loiter-time of than 24h(like Predator Reaper) over the AOR, and the need for fast-movers will be reduced signifantly. In PSO/low-intensity conflicts at least.
I think....
Posted: Fri 21 Dec, 2007 10:58 pm
by Holger Danske
The Americans are using both GMLRS and Excalibur in Iraq now.
Multible GMLRS impact in Iraq.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=179_1197756922
Single Excalibur impact in Iraq.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6cqmMM_MSw
Posted: Sat 22 Dec, 2007 12:01 am
by SO19
Holger, were using GMLRS out in Afghan.