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Posted: Tue 23 Sep, 2003 6:49 pm
by lew
Personally I wouldn’t want him leading me into battle, I don’t trust toff's and he is of the toffiest toff family I know...

He may be good he may be bad, it doesn’t matter, as was said earlier he will never be put in a situation where he could be killed, or worse captured...



lew

Posted: Tue 23 Sep, 2003 8:19 pm
by voodoo sprout
IU'm not sure how this will go. On the one hand it would be a great problem for the establishment if a Royal were to *Shock*Horror*FAIL in something like this, but similarly with the power the media now has to uncover just about anything, blatantly bending the rules would probably be picked up on and not appoved of. My guess would be Harry would have the benefit of a bit more leniecy, and without a doubt the training team would be under (unofficial) pressure to do whatever is needed to bring him up to standard. If even after unusually comprehensive additional training he did turn out to be a complete Bushalike, they would probably just put him out of harms way somewhere, perhaps put him in charge of the blokes who pick up the mess after the Household Cavalry have finished their ceremonial jiggery pokery :).

As for whether he wil be a good offcier, I'm sceptical but not incredibly so. he does have the benfit of a Royal upbringiing so you would expect he would be more accustomed to command and being under the spotlight, but he clearly hasn't got the natural authority, charisma or confidence of his brother and doesn't strike me as a natural officer. But there again, he will probably be under pressure himself to succceed, so there's a good chance he'll eventually get himself sorted out.

Posted: Tue 23 Sep, 2003 10:16 pm
by owdun
Harry,yes,he does look like his dad!!!!!.

There are a lot of assumptions being made here. Winston Churchill was a complete duffer at school, it didn't exactly hold him back. Many so called Toffs have served with great distinction, including former Kings and Princes. The current game of "Lets knock the Royal family" played mainly by those with little sense of history, or who have some political axe to grind, will inevitably lead to an elected head of state, and if the present bunch inefficient liars are the future, then God help this country.

Aye Owdun. :evil:

Posted: Wed 24 Sep, 2003 12:44 am
by BenChug
I believe a member of the royal family although I cannot remeber his name served aboard a ship during the Falklands war. I'm sure they will actually be quite insistant that he goes with the rest of the lads.

Posted: Wed 24 Sep, 2003 1:29 am
by Andy O'Pray
BenChug, It was Prince Andrew who served as a RN chopper pilot during the Falklands.

Aye - Andy.

Posted: Wed 24 Sep, 2003 2:04 am
by BenChug
But there you go I don't recall the details exactly but he has alot more people watching him than someone else who decided they don't want to fight. There would be alot of angry people who's sons regiment was sent to war because they young prince was to priceless a jewel (By who's account?) to send to die in some damned place, he'd go.

Posted: Wed 24 Sep, 2003 6:17 am
by Whitey
The prince is a young man, with proper support from his people and guidence he'll grow up to be a good man and leader. Owdin is right, elected officials have only greed in mind, atleast the Royals have a sense of duty.

Posted: Wed 24 Sep, 2003 11:29 am
by runningmuppet
As far as I am aware Drug Use precludes selection into Sandhurst?

Or is it one rule for them and one for every one else.

Anyone who thinks status doesn't get you a nice number is kidding themselves

A mate of mine completely f@#k his aptitude test for sandhurst and because he had gone to Duke of Yorks school and the interviewing officer was a mate of the head masters they let him continue anyway. If it had been someone from a state comprehensive they would have shown him the door sharpish...

Posted: Thu 25 Sep, 2003 9:09 am
by Dmanton300
lew wrote:He may be good he may be bad, it doesn’t matter, as was said earlier he will never be put in a situation where he could be killed, or worse captured...
Care to explain Prince Andrew and his Falklands experience? He was constantly in a position of risk, and very high risk at that (see the Gazelle crew shot down and then shot whilst they tried to swim to shore by the Argentinians). You may say that yyou wouldn't want to serve under him, but as yet you know nothing of his capabilities to make such a determination. And your claim that as a member of the Royal family he would never be placed in a position of risk is demonstrably bulls**t.

Here's a thought, see how he does! Wait, you'll get the feedback in one way or another from the men he leads, then you can make a determination. All this "I wouldn't want him leading me" and "He's not exactly officer material is he?" stuff exasperates me. WE DON'T KNOW if he's up to the job yet, but I have a feeling we soon will. Ill (or -non) informed speculation does no one any good, and should be refrained from until such time as we know.

Posted: Thu 25 Sep, 2003 10:31 am
by chunky from york
I read that he is being given a two year 'gap year' so that he may be a bit more 'mature', when he gets to Sandhurst. :o

He has always struck me as being a bit 'sulky' but I have never met him and my only opinions were formed by the media, and we all know the media has its own agenda. :x

Hope he goes to an 'appropriate' regiment and has a good time - why not, we all have to be somewhere and doing something. :D

Posted: Thu 25 Sep, 2003 11:43 am
by Twenty One
Like every young person joining up,they deserve a chance to prove themselves just like you and I when we joined up. UnLike his uncle who joined the Marines and then changed his mind because it was too hard for him,I sincerely hope that when he goes through the mill he will come out a better man and stick at it.GOOD LUCK to him. :)

Posted: Thu 25 Sep, 2003 12:24 pm
by barryc
I wasn't around when Edward was at CTC but from what I heard ( and I stand to be corrected) He was quite capable physically of completing the course and it was more that he couldn't adapt to the `Royal' (ironic really)
way of refusing to be impressed by who you are and wanting you to prove what you are. We have all despised some officers and really rated others, we, as booties, need everyone to prove themselves, regardless of rank or position, once done they you are `in'. I would have liked Harry to try the RM, but I suppose it comes too soon after his uncle for that. I believe then that his performance after training , if not during, would be subject to a very critical audience and we would have known the truth of whether the lad is up to the job or not. Possibly the same could be said of some of the more robust pono regiments but if he ends up in the Guards or a cavalry regiment he will be as divorced from reality as the rest of the wooperts.

I emphasise, these are my personal opinions only

Barry

Posted: Thu 25 Sep, 2003 6:37 pm
by Tab
You would think he would join the Navy and go and play in one of their boats under supervision.

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Posted: Thu 25 Sep, 2003 9:13 pm
by Frank S.
On the positive side, at least the Royal Family's making efforts, no matter how debatable, to uphold certain military traditions.
I wish we could say the same thing across the pond.

Or do they represent a hindrance?

:-?

Posted: Fri 26 Sep, 2003 12:28 am
by BenChug
You could go AWOL for a year then become prez.

I think he'll do alright so long as they don't treat him worse or better than the other troops because of his family status and title. There is way to much focus on the royal family however, why would I care if Britney Spears has a crush on young william. Leave the blokes alone for certain bit at least and judge them each by what they actually achieve in life more so than the family title.