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Posted: Sun 11 Sep, 2005 11:51 am
by Sarastro
Come come Jobag, you've never been tempted to go for the other man's flash? I'd be tempted to see if I could earn green if Para and maroon if Royal, just for the challenge! But then I'd have the good sense to shut up about it to avoid looking like a trophy hunter.
Oh bugger...
Posted: Sun 11 Sep, 2005 1:16 pm
by Doc
Maroon isnt earned, its handed to you if you get attached to airborne forces. Green is earned and I remember a cover of soldier magazine back in the late eighties/early ninties that had a green lid para with para regt capbadge on the front cover.
Strangest story Ive come across regarding berets was a Naval Radio Operator who went 148 Cdo (RA Forward obs that use RN Radio lads) he passed AACC and PCoy/Jumps and after 148 got attached to the Army for a brief spell, so went from a green lid to a maroon lid with airborne sigs, then went SF and passed, so getting his sand lid. Then he creamed in big style and was P7RD. Instead of leaving the forces he opted to return to HMS Mecury the RN sigs school (used to be anyway) as an instructor.
He was still only a LRO at this stage (same as a cpl) and first week he had a parade. SO turns up in Naval rig with a green lid on, a Naval PO tells him he cant wear it so to go change. Matey comes back with a Maroon lid on. PO goes ballistic and tells him to fark off and get it changed. He returns with his SAS lid on! PO orbits the earth twice then the lad in question gets thinned out and never asked to go on parade again.
Posted: Sun 11 Sep, 2005 1:29 pm
by Sarastro
My mistake, substitute para wings and commando flashes then.
Posted: Sun 11 Sep, 2005 2:28 pm
by harry73
We have a lad in the Cav whos back at Knightsbridge now doing the horsey thing who did AACC when we ad a Sqn attached to 3 Comando and also got his wrings. He still wears his Green beret even though we dont have that role anymore. Dont know if thats leagal or not.
Still have the Para role though, we seem to have more moroon berets here now than dark blue. In which everyone is earned by doing P Coy, but as Doc said when one of our Sqadrons goes away with 16AA everyone gets a moroon beret even the lads who have'nt done P coy.
So even I've wore a Para beret on operations without doing P Coy
harry
Posted: Sun 11 Sep, 2005 2:44 pm
by Jobag
Doc wrote:Maroon isnt earned, its handed to you if you get attached to airborne forces.
Unfortunatly thats true. However, if someone wants their wings, they must pass the big P. So you know if someone with a maroon beret on has earned it, because they will have their wings.
Posted: Sun 11 Sep, 2005 2:58 pm
by harry73
So you know if someone with a maroon beret on has earned it, because they will have their wings.
Not always, theres lads I know here that have done P Coy and waited months before doing there jumps. But you are right Jobag i'm just being picky
harry
Posted: Sun 11 Sep, 2005 3:54 pm
by Doc
To be even pickier
I know a RAMC stripey who did AACC, then went to 29 Cdo and did his jumps (unlike 59 where you have to do PCoy to wear your wings, 29 consider the AACC enough and get straight on a jumps course)
So matey in question then comes to 59 and called a backdoor para for having wings without doing PCoy and then he gets posted to an airborne unit, gets maroon lid and wears wings and dagger.
So not all blokes with wings do PCoy.
RM dont do PCoy, but having done 32 weeks at CTC and the recce/SB/BPT selection to get a jumps course then they've done enough.
My bessy mate who is now APTC was a chef in 59 and 7RHA, passed both PCoy and AACC as top student/commando medal.
But everyone who has done the RNMA course gets to wear a red cross with a black circle around it, no-one else does (nails!! grrrrr)
Posted: Sun 11 Sep, 2005 4:03 pm
by harry73
I know what you mean Doc. The lad at our place you did AACC then went straight to his jumps course to get his wings. Hes never done P Coy.
He does say he would like to do P Coy so he can wear a moroon beret 24/7 as people mistake him for a clerk when he goes on courses etc. As Army clerks (AGC) wear green berets. Different shade granted. and nothing against the AGC
Harry
Posted: Wed 14 Sep, 2005 5:59 pm
by Hantslad
on the subject of weird beret combinations, I mate of mine was RMR, during which he got his green lid and also did his jumps course. He then went full time Royal, and broke his back in a climbing accident. He managed to get fit enough to leave the RM as p2, and joined the LI. Made it to Sgt then left and went to uni. He joined the TA when he got to uni (DWR) and they commissioned him. As part of his course he spent a year in france, so he was put on an exchange with the French Alpine Troops Reservists. He then graduated and went on FTRS. He did this for a number of years cos he had a couple of languages (serbo croat and French). Last year he resigned his commisson and joined the RNR and is back on FTRS again. The best thing for him is that now he is back in the Navy, he can wear his green lid again!
Posted: Wed 14 Sep, 2005 6:02 pm
by flynn101
Just thought this might be helpful
United Kingdom
The British Army was the first to adopt modern-style berets as part of its uniform. In 1918, the French 70th Chasseurs Alpins were training with the British Tank Corps. The Chasseurs Alpins wore a distinctive large beret and Major-General Sir Hugh Elles, the TC's Colonel, realised that the beret would be practical headwear for his tank crews, forced to move in a reduced space. He thought, however, that the Chasseur beret was "too sloppy" and the Basque-style beret of the French tank crews was "too skimpy", so a compromise based on the Scottish tam o'shanter was designed and submitted for the approval of George V in November 1923. It was adopted in March 1924.
Today, every British military unit wears a beret, with the exception of Scottish and Irish line infantry regiments, who wear the tam o'shanter and the caubeen respectively (the Scots Guards and Irish Guards, however, wear berets, as frequently do the Royal Irish Regiment on operations). Many of these berets are in distinctive colours and all are worn with the cap badge of the service, regiment or corps.
The colours are as follows:
Khaki — Foot Guards, Household Cavalry, Honourable Artillery Company, Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment, Royal Anglian Regiment, Green Howards
Light grey — Royal Scots Dragoon Guards, Queen Alexandra's Royal Army Nursing Corps
Brown — King's Royal Hussars
Black — Royal Tank Regiment
Dark (Rifle) green — Devonshire and Dorset Light Infantry, Royal Gloucestershire, Berkshire and Wiltshire Light Infantry, Light Infantry, Royal Green Jackets, Royal Gurkha Rifles
Maroon — Parachute Regiment, other troops serving in airborne role (not necessarily jump qualified)
Beige — Special Air Service
Sky blue — Army Air Corps
Cypress green — Intelligence Corps
Scarlet — Royal Military Police
Green — Adjutant General's Corps
Navy blue — all other Army units (except Scottish and Irish line infantry regiments), Royal Navy, Royal Marines who are not commando-qualified
Commando green — commando-qualified Royal Marines, other commando-qualified troops serving in commando units
RAF blue — Royal Air Force (including RAF Regiment)
Members of the Royal Tank Regiment, Army Air Corps, Parachute Regiment and SAS never wear any other form of uniform headgear except the beret (i.e. they do not wear peaked caps). Troops from other services, regiments or corps on attachment to units with distinctive coloured berets often wear those berets (with their own cap badge). Colonels, brigadiers and generals usually continue to wear the beret of the regiment or corps to which they used to belong with the cap badge distinctive to their rank. The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers and Royal Welch Fusiliers wear a coloured feather hackle on the beret.
Posted: Wed 14 Sep, 2005 8:46 pm
by robbiew
what do sbs wear then
just a thought
Posted: Wed 14 Sep, 2005 9:01 pm
by flynn101
The SBS retain there royal marine background and wear a commando green beret
Posted: Wed 14 Sep, 2005 9:06 pm
by robbiew
cheers dude
its sunny man
Posted: Wed 14 Sep, 2005 9:11 pm
by robbiew
im confused so what do they wear then, and if this is a silly question with a point i completely missed then dont bother answering-in fact dont worry ill make this completely pointless anyway and go on google for a little search
haha glasses
gosh im being childish now....