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jayne wrote:,i put the blame totally on the British Government and it's a real shame that some kids out there ar'nt toght respect from an early age,i mean whats happened to the word please and thankyou these days as i work in the retail sector and i'd say only 3 out of 10 children say these words.....

And so what happened to parental resposibility?

For those who don't know I am advisory teacher in Manchester, my specialism is behaviour. I work with kids from pre-school up to 16.

Teachers are lambasted for not 'sorting out' kids' behaviour. Day in, day out.

In my humble (26 years) of experience teaching I have very rarely had to work with a child whose behavioural issues cannot be attributed to their domestic circumstances.

Bugger all to do with the Government/ Local Authority/ school.

PARENTS NEED TO SHOULDER THEIR SHARE OF THE BLAME!

Get to grips with their kids .... set boundaries and consequences and above all set a good example!

This sort of a thread makes me VERY ANGRY

You need to have some respect for teachers who work their tits off on behalf of their charges.

Jayne

I remember one story my mum came home with when she was still teaching - some 'parent' (I use the term loosely) had been in to school and complained because their child hadn't been taught how to use a knife and fork properly...

Huh????

The number of people who used to just dump their kids at the school gates before 8am, and expect the teachers to be in early to babysit for them, and then be late to pick them up, always used to amaze me.
People shouldn't have kids if they're not prepared to take responsibility for them themselves.

jayne wrote:Hi David your absolutely right,
and yes you do understand my way of thinking,and of course i wasnt having a go at you personally,i put the blame totally on the British Government and it's a real shame that some kids out there ar'nt toght respect from an early age,i mean whats happened to the word please and thankyou these days as i work in the retail sector and i'd say only 3 out of 10 children say these words.....

Yes let blame the Goverment for kids acting like arseholes, for young teenagers getting pissed as handcarts come the weekend. In fact let's blame the Government for everything that we consider to be out of order!

Christ! Whats happened to parents telling their kids to be in by eight of they will find themselves barred from going out with their mates?

My kids behaved and it was not because of us beating the crap out them everytime they misbehaved. It was all to do with teaching them respect for us, our neighbours and the place they lived in.

My kids got the odd smack if they misbehaved, just like I got when I was a kid. The problem these days is the way parents let their kids get away with ought, regardless of the consequences to both the parents, the kids plus on occasion other people.

As far as I'm concerned kids should have parameters set by their parents, but these days it seems to be wishful thinking on my part.

Once had to sort out this 15/16 year old lad who was stood outside my house, he threw up all over my car. So me being me, I got a bucket full of hot water and washing up liquid and told him to sort it out. He legged it away home. Ten minutes later his father appeared rather annoyed at me. The father is an Dentist, the Mother is a Primary School teacher.

I showed him what his son had done to which the father replied "So What?" Sums it up for me in a nutshell really. Lack of Moral Courage in regard to the parent taking responsibility when it come to sorting out ther offspring's attitude towards people. Kin father was REMBRANTED in no uncertain terms by me but in the end I still had to wash the vomit of the boot of my car.

Artist

Artist,

I feel badly that you had to have a run-in with such an idiot. All you asked his son to do was clean up a mess! I feel sorry for Dr. Farkwit, he probably lay awake that night knowing you were right wondering where he'd gone wrong.

My son's 15 months old and constantly trying to push the limits, as an intelligent human being would, but my wife and I enforce them as a team, like our parents did, knowing that we're right.

My Dad smacked me only once, when I swore to an adult, for no reason at all other than repeating garbage I'd read in a crap novel, and I knew instantly I'd done wrong. I never forgot.

I lasted six years in teaching and it only reinforced what I already knew. I've seen far too many examples of how not to parent.

Flighty, I tip my hat to you for sticking with one of the most difficult jobs on Earth, I don't know how you do it. Its so easy to get hung up on the negative side of it.

df2inaus

Steve,

That is the most illuminating post that I have read from you.

Of course parents are to blame for kids behaviour.

A smack at two years old, saves a lot of hassle at seven years old!!

Haviving said that, - National Service, as mentioned in a former thread, would do some good.

If you talk to National Service Vets. They will all tell you, that they benifited from it!!

Sneaky

Bring it Back!!

15/16 year old lad who was stood outside my house, he threw up all over my car

He was only making an artistic comment, to counter the cobbler`s last you fixed to the bonnet, ffs.
Havent you ever heard of the likes of Damien Hirst or Tracy Emmet
I thought it was very apt, call yourself an artist, tut

You should`ve went round to their gaff and vomited on their car

I blame society meself, especially those what live in Nantwich

harry hackedoff wrote:

15/16 year old lad who was stood outside my house, he threw up all over my car

He was only making an artistic comment, to counter the cobbler`s last you fixed to the bonnet, ffs.
Havent you ever heard of the likes of Damien Hirst or Tracy Emmet
I thought it was very apt, call yourself an artist, tut

You should`ve went round to their gaff and vomited on their car

I blame society meself, especially those what live in Nantwich

Dear Confused of Perth, Ozland. Sit back in yer chair and I'll plug you in!

Artist

Never had the chance to get into trouble as a teenager as from the age of 14 i was working a 16 hour day

spare the rod spoil the child?

Tab, would you like the chance now
Come on down matey, you know it makes sense

My dads belt still gives me nightmares
...no seriously

National Service is a definite 'no-no'.
Too expensive and not a rewarding
situation for the military who would
certaily not want it to be reinstituted.
Thank goodness 99% of all NS RM were
reservists who wanted to complete their
time with the Corps. Hence they were
totally committed to serve either as
Cdos, or in LC or on Capital ships.
On return to civvie street they had to
complete their reserve committment
which for me was five and a half years.
The remedy which is sadly neglected by
New Labour despite the mantra of education,
education, education is to instil in our rotten
schools a real sense of civic responsibility
and discipline for all students. This is sady not
apparent but fortunately the cadet force and
the scouts are good at teaching civic responsibility.
Finally teachers do not get enough respect and
many kids can be extremely offensive to them
and get away with it. When dismissed from a school
by staff and governors they return on the whim of
some trendy leftie do gooder with only a small smack
on the wrist.

Chas. Pre NS 2years VR. NS & SS + again VR.

May I refer you all to Sweden (where I now live, with wife and 2 children) where hitting children has been illegal for over 30 years. And then ask you to compare the current state of Swedish society and crime levels with the current state of UK society and crime levels and then ask you if you think retaining the right to physically assault children is actually doing any good? No, exactly!

Crime rates in Sweden across the board are much lower than in the UK i.e. when each crime is measured as a percentage of all crimes reported and per capita/annum

And please don't try to get into a legal argument with me about the term assault. I was a police officer for 13 years after I left the RAF Regt.

I was caned at school and hit by my parents, all that did was make me hate school. And for me as a parent now made me vow never ever to hit my kids and I never have done - not because it's illegal but because I simply see it as assault - an adult physically harming a child.

The illogicality of parents being against corporal punishment in school vs the same parents being for the hitting of children is mind-boggling!



JUST THINK ABOUT IT!

I believe in smacking children on the bum, I don't believe in Abusive actions against children.

I was raised with getting a smack if I was naughty, didn't hurt me none.

And I don't believe its up to anyone else to smack a child only its parents.

When young Hackster misbehaves I find a black bin bag over the head far more effective than smacking.
He does get the odd punch in the mouth for looking at me sideways,mind