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Marina
Look its TERRYRAT we were discussing this incident only not any other, so you have no point here Frank S You also need to look at what i write and not go off on a tangent no not a three wheel bike either. Thankyou both

No, not a tangent. Not since the article I posted points at fore-planning. This was argued.

Now pretty please with sugar and cream on top, let's chill it a tad, okay?

Marina wrote:''Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."

quote from Ariel Sharon to Simon Peres as reported on Kol Y Israel radio october 3, 2001

Honey look at your date 2001, that quote is out date, its like Martin Luther Kings lil rant "I have a dream...."

harry hackedoff wrote:Hezbollah and the Lebs have said they wellcome a ceasefire and will abide by it`s terms.
Jew fink the Israelis will

Yeah I Jew fink they might, for a time.

Actually, while Marina's quote was dated 2001, it's not out of date per se as it's an indicator of the belief shared by many in Israel's government.

As for Martin Luther King Jr., his speech (not rant) is as pertinent now as it ever was.

Julie

If Israel and the Arabs were banished to the back end the moon for creating all this havoc here on Mother Earth, they would still fight over land rights. And probably in the Sea Of Tranquility
They'd be closer to whoever their god is an' all.

I`m sure you’re right, ooh yawn

Whatever your views are and however strongly you hold them, please remember that this site is a forum.
As in a discussion forum. We all have a say.
Top tip, before ripping into someone, try reading their posts thoroughly and use the preview button to see how your post will look.

Back to the plot, I wasn`t aware of any "malice aforethought" by the Israelis and that aspect will be made more public in the coming days, I`m sure.
I am not anti Israel or pro Lebanon or Palestine. My view here is that the Israeli response to the Hezbollah attacks was disproportionate and criminal. To move into a sovereign state and totally disrupt it`s infrastructure and it`s ability to feed and maintain itself to the point where that infrastructure no longer functions. To cause the deaths of over one thousand civs, three hundred of whom were children. To drop leaflets telling the populace to evac their homes because they are about to be destroyed and all of the other things we’ve seen if we’ve had our eyes open. In Bosnia and Kosavo this behaviour was condemned as ethnic cleansing and those responsible were prosecuted with the full force of the International Court of The Hague.

States have rights of self-defence in the same way as individuals do. Force is to be met with an appropriate force.
If someone bumps into you as you walk down the street and you throw them for Ippon and jump on their head till it bursts, how would that look in court? A fight starts in a bar and you get smacked in the gob. Your response is to glass anyone standing near to you. Not really a proportionate use of force, is it?
Now please tell me I`m wrong and by the use of reasoned argument as opposed to quoting wot yu red in da sun, convince me that my view is the wrong view.

Today I read a comment that Britain has a lot to answer for, from there poor management of the Mandate of Palestine.

Before anyone bites my head off in here...Im not agreeing with this point Im just curious about it and would like to hear everyones opinions.

Its a bit of a joke trying to shove the blame on someone else when clearly Britain done the best they could with the territory after the war.
I think at this stage there trying to blame anyone they can.

I think as bad as this war is, Iran is going to be bigger trouble.Its links with Hezbollah, and the fact that us is now involved it will all lead to trouble.
Im not for either side...but Hezbollah using people as human shields is surely just as bad...there welcome to each other I reckon

I`m sure you`re right. Did you read any of my last post?

Yep just now, was posting at same time!Your view isnt wrong, Everyone has a right to an opinion. I dont even think I have a view on this one! Its so complex. You can see both sides.
Just cant believe there trying to bring uk into now...
You can argue this until your dead. Didnt know Israel went to washington before the kidnappings...

For the record, just in case my last post on this thread is misleading or defamatory and not in keeping with discussion rules, I do believe that its a real shame that the problems of the middle-east, or any region, cannot be resolved by means other than war or terrorism.
I'm not a pacifist, but I am a peaceful man. There's no way way I could support a war over questionable or criminal motives, as lives are lost needlessly, as was/is the case in Lebanon.

OK sorry for the mispelling of Terryrat I think I am allowed to say what issues I believe in. I can't help it if you don't like it.

Kiwi, sweetie, Martin Luther King Day is a US national holiday on the 3rd monday every January, thus he is significant figure in US history dear.
Am I bovvered

Thanks Julie for making the Martin Luther King point very clear

Alright Frank S, I will listen to you because you are wise and rational !
I will chill out now and zip up for now (its not easy though ).

LMAO ok my point just went flying over your head, I take it.

Anyway each to their own.

Kiwi1988 wrote:LMAO ok my point just went flying over your head, I take it.

Anyway each to their own.

Oh? Do tell

Harry,

My view here is that the Israeli response to the Hezbollah attacks was disproportionate and criminal.

Disproportionate I would agree with, criminal I am not so sure.
Israel is fighting for it's very existance. I don't think Lebanon is. And Hezbollah has members in the Lebonese government. I don't think that the Lebanon was too upset about the war - or the outcome.

Sneaky