What medication would work best for back pain from standing for 6 hours? I have flat feet, which results in back/foot/leg pain and fatigue after standing still for long periods of time. I do have orthotic inserts for my shoes, but that doesn't stop the pain.
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Re: back pain
I don't know about medication, but have you considered discussing it with a physiotherapist?
It's possible that certain exercises will strengthen key areas to better prepare you for the situation.
It's possible that certain exercises will strengthen key areas to better prepare you for the situation.
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Re: back pain
The first thing to do is to see a doctor. Unfortunately, some back pain is caused by things such as kidney problems etc. The good news is that the vast majority of back pain (apart from genetic birth defects, organ problems etc is caused by muscle imbalances.
What needs to be determined is whether your foot and back problems are related. There are three main situations:
1. Your foot problem and your back problem have nothing to do with each other. In other words, your foot problem has not caused your back problem and your back problem has not caused your foot problem.
2. Your foot problem has caused your back problem (without going into details, tight tissues in the leg/foot can cause a chain of events which lead all the way up to your neck).
3. Your back problem has caused your foot problem.
In order to determine what is going on, you need a good therapist to analyze how you stand and walk. I’ll give you some info on that in a minute.
Flat feet are nearly always caused by a little known or treated muscle called the “peroneus longus”
http://www.realbodywork.com/learn/ankle/peroneus.JPG
http://reflexologysuccess.com/reflexolo ... /flat-feet
It runs up and down the outside of your lower leg. If you look at the picture, your first reaction might be “Well, if that muscle tightens, it will cause the foot to become more arched, not less arched”. What you cannot see from the picture is how the end of that muscle attaches to the bottom of the foot and how other tissues attach to it. When that guy gets tight, it pulls in such a way that the foot becomes flatter. The key is to release that muscle. I have seen this done successfully on a large number of people who wanted to join the forces, police etc, as well as serving members whose feet have become “flatter”.
Hughie Morris is a good lad. Ex bootie and based in the UK. Give him a call. Tell him Dave the Jock spoke to you. Hughie uses an excellent stretching technique invented by Aaron Mattes in the US:
Stretching GB
Hughie J. Morris
21 Eton Rd.
Harlington
Middlesex UB3 5HR
Tel: 020 8897 0377
Mobile: 07984 005366
Email: info@stretchinggb.com
Web: http://www.stretchinggb.com
The guy who fixed my back and foot problems is called Al Meilus (http://www.meilus.com). He literally saved my life. If you want to talk to him, call (US) 1-727-547-1233 (if he’s not in, he will call you back for free). Al has Skype and a camera and can check you out for free. My next door neighbor is an ex-para, ex 13 PARA(Salford) and 1 PARA. He’s going down to see Al after being in a car crash. Al treats a lot of SF guys who have just come back from deployment. The lad in the first part of the following video ( ex-airborne) had some really bad foot and ankle injuries (including pins) after someone jumped into a trench and landed on his leg. He’s now a pro-golfer. Al has a clinic in Provence in France, but I think Hughie should be able to help you in the UK.
http://meilus.com/Videos/VideoPlayer/Ta ... onies.aspx
http://www.meilus.com/ContactUs/tabid/405/Default.aspx
I was completely crippled for six months and had many foot problems when I had to learn to walk again. I have learned to treat my own peroneus by using pressure from my thumbs, but that takes a little doing.
The more you know how your body works, the better. I always recommend to people to start off with this book:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Egoscue-Method- ... 441&sr=8-1
Have a shufti at the comments at the bottom.
Pete Egoscue was a US Marine officer in Vietnam who, like me, was told he’d never walk again. Chapter 2 “Function Junction” contains a lot of good diagrams.
As far as pain relief is concerned, medications can help, but there are some natural things that you may want to try first. Most of them just help to “take the edge” off the pain. The problem with long term use of prescription pain killers is that many have side-effects. I was shoving hydrocodone down my throat like sweeties when I had my spinal injuries. Due to internal problems caused by it, I had to stop taking it “cold turkey”. That was very unpleasant.
Usually anything containing “passion flower” (not that meaning) and “valerian root” can help ease inflammation and muscle tightness. The problem is that they tend to either work or not work at all. You just have to try it out. Again just check with your doc before taking them. A health food store is a good place to check first.
The yanks sell a very good product called “Heal N’Soothe”. All natural, contains a lot of anti-inflammatories. Problem is that, again, it tends to either work or not work, and is pricey. I use it and have had good results.
https://www.losethebackpain.com/tryhealnsoothe.html
If you want to, drop me a PM. I’m on Skype if you feel like a chat.
Don’t let anyone tell you that you have to live like that for the rest of your life. Have determination and read as much as you can about your condition. “Knowledge Dispels Fear”, but it also empowers you to help yourself. Four and a half years ago I had spinal and leg and foot injuries so severe that I was told by “experts” that I had zero chance of walking again and that if I didn’t get used to the idea of being in a wheelchair that “it would be all the worse for me psychologically” on the day that I was eventually put in one. I refused to accept that and spend thousands of hours studying bio-mechanics and anatomy until I discovered that all the doctors had missed a small but very important spinal joint which had been dislocated and almost destroyed me. That and some wonderful therapists have given me my life back. I still have aches and pains but nothing much. I can walk, swim etc and am leading a pretty normal life now.
Good Luck
Dave
What needs to be determined is whether your foot and back problems are related. There are three main situations:
1. Your foot problem and your back problem have nothing to do with each other. In other words, your foot problem has not caused your back problem and your back problem has not caused your foot problem.
2. Your foot problem has caused your back problem (without going into details, tight tissues in the leg/foot can cause a chain of events which lead all the way up to your neck).
3. Your back problem has caused your foot problem.
In order to determine what is going on, you need a good therapist to analyze how you stand and walk. I’ll give you some info on that in a minute.
Flat feet are nearly always caused by a little known or treated muscle called the “peroneus longus”
http://www.realbodywork.com/learn/ankle/peroneus.JPG
http://reflexologysuccess.com/reflexolo ... /flat-feet
It runs up and down the outside of your lower leg. If you look at the picture, your first reaction might be “Well, if that muscle tightens, it will cause the foot to become more arched, not less arched”. What you cannot see from the picture is how the end of that muscle attaches to the bottom of the foot and how other tissues attach to it. When that guy gets tight, it pulls in such a way that the foot becomes flatter. The key is to release that muscle. I have seen this done successfully on a large number of people who wanted to join the forces, police etc, as well as serving members whose feet have become “flatter”.
Hughie Morris is a good lad. Ex bootie and based in the UK. Give him a call. Tell him Dave the Jock spoke to you. Hughie uses an excellent stretching technique invented by Aaron Mattes in the US:
Stretching GB
Hughie J. Morris
21 Eton Rd.
Harlington
Middlesex UB3 5HR
Tel: 020 8897 0377
Mobile: 07984 005366
Email: info@stretchinggb.com
Web: http://www.stretchinggb.com
The guy who fixed my back and foot problems is called Al Meilus (http://www.meilus.com). He literally saved my life. If you want to talk to him, call (US) 1-727-547-1233 (if he’s not in, he will call you back for free). Al has Skype and a camera and can check you out for free. My next door neighbor is an ex-para, ex 13 PARA(Salford) and 1 PARA. He’s going down to see Al after being in a car crash. Al treats a lot of SF guys who have just come back from deployment. The lad in the first part of the following video ( ex-airborne) had some really bad foot and ankle injuries (including pins) after someone jumped into a trench and landed on his leg. He’s now a pro-golfer. Al has a clinic in Provence in France, but I think Hughie should be able to help you in the UK.
http://meilus.com/Videos/VideoPlayer/Ta ... onies.aspx
http://www.meilus.com/ContactUs/tabid/405/Default.aspx
I was completely crippled for six months and had many foot problems when I had to learn to walk again. I have learned to treat my own peroneus by using pressure from my thumbs, but that takes a little doing.
The more you know how your body works, the better. I always recommend to people to start off with this book:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Egoscue-Method- ... 441&sr=8-1
Have a shufti at the comments at the bottom.
Pete Egoscue was a US Marine officer in Vietnam who, like me, was told he’d never walk again. Chapter 2 “Function Junction” contains a lot of good diagrams.
As far as pain relief is concerned, medications can help, but there are some natural things that you may want to try first. Most of them just help to “take the edge” off the pain. The problem with long term use of prescription pain killers is that many have side-effects. I was shoving hydrocodone down my throat like sweeties when I had my spinal injuries. Due to internal problems caused by it, I had to stop taking it “cold turkey”. That was very unpleasant.
Usually anything containing “passion flower” (not that meaning) and “valerian root” can help ease inflammation and muscle tightness. The problem is that they tend to either work or not work at all. You just have to try it out. Again just check with your doc before taking them. A health food store is a good place to check first.
The yanks sell a very good product called “Heal N’Soothe”. All natural, contains a lot of anti-inflammatories. Problem is that, again, it tends to either work or not work, and is pricey. I use it and have had good results.
https://www.losethebackpain.com/tryhealnsoothe.html
If you want to, drop me a PM. I’m on Skype if you feel like a chat.
Don’t let anyone tell you that you have to live like that for the rest of your life. Have determination and read as much as you can about your condition. “Knowledge Dispels Fear”, but it also empowers you to help yourself. Four and a half years ago I had spinal and leg and foot injuries so severe that I was told by “experts” that I had zero chance of walking again and that if I didn’t get used to the idea of being in a wheelchair that “it would be all the worse for me psychologically” on the day that I was eventually put in one. I refused to accept that and spend thousands of hours studying bio-mechanics and anatomy until I discovered that all the doctors had missed a small but very important spinal joint which had been dislocated and almost destroyed me. That and some wonderful therapists have given me my life back. I still have aches and pains but nothing much. I can walk, swim etc and am leading a pretty normal life now.
Good Luck
Dave
Re: back pain
i had lower back pain/ache. I tried all the usual routes over a period of months (i.e doctors then physio's). Finally I was recommended accupuncture. I was very dubious but gave it a try. Iv never looked back. Two weeks after having it done, all the ache had ceased. That was 7 years ago and i may add my day to day job is behind a desk, seated. Apparently being seated causes more stress on the back than being stood up. Give it a try.
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Yes, you are correct about how sitting down causes problems. Basically three main things happen:
1. Our bodies are not designed for sitting. When we sit down, muscles called the hip flexors tighten up. These muscles enable us to do “keepie up” with a football bouncing it off a raised knee, walking etc. Once they have tightened beyond a certain point, they tend to tilt the pelvis forward. Have a look at someone with a large gut wearing a belt on their trousers. The belt should be horizontal, but the weight of the gut has tilted the pelvis forward. If you stand up and try to tilt your pelvis forward, the top part of your body will move downwards towards the floor. The brain does not like this. Part of the complex system of balance in the body involves having the eyes remain level and horizontal at all times, whenever possible. This is due to the connection between how level the eyes are and the balance organs in the inner ear.
http://www.getyourserenity.com/blog/ind ... s-are-sore
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/ ... dosis.html
http://www.bigbackpain.com/posture.html
If the top part of the body goes down, so does the head. The brain automatically detects this and tries to bring the head/eyes back level. The only way it can do this is to increase the curvature in the lower back by causing the back muscles to tighten up and keep the spine upright. The ancient greeks knew all about this when they named those muscles “erector spinae” which means “to keep the spine upright”.
2. As a result of the back muscles tightening up, over time, they can become painful from nerves being pressed against and waste products (mostly lactic acid) buildup.
3. Because the lower (lumbar) spine has now increased it’s curvature, greater pressure gets put on the disks in the spine. When too much pressure is applied, the disks lose water and can become brittle. They are then known as degenerated disks which can be very painful. Osteoarthritis can set in.
Another major problem comes from these bloody computers. People sit improperly and their heads move forward. Tight muscles (scalenes and sternocleidomastoid ) pull the head forward. Average human head weighs between 7 and 12 pounds. The weight of a bowling ball. This weight tends to try to topple the body forward. Again, the brain sends a signal to the muscles to tighten up to try and keep the body upright. If you look at yourself in a mirror sideways, the middle of your ear should align with the middle of the shoulder.
http://www.mensgarage.com/wp-content/up ... osture.gif
Tabbing with bergans causes the chest (pectoral muscles) to tighten and pull the head and shoulders forward. This again can lead to back problems. Each month I see SF guys who have come back from overseas with back pain. Every last one of them has forward head and shoulders and a forward tilted pelvis. Once that gets corrected, the back pain either disappears completely or is reduced to tolerable levels.
http://paulsbarra.com/wp-content/upload ... rriage.jpg
Pilates can be an excellent way to start to get rid of back pain. However, a proper assessment of imbalances in needed first. Do I have one hip higher than the other ? Do I have one foot sticking out more than the other ? Is one shoulder lower than the other ? All important stuff. We all know that if the front right side of our car is imbalanced and lower than the other side, that over time that can lead to problems all over the vehicle (vibration etc) . Same with the body.
I have completely eliminated all of my back pain. I now just have some pain when I sit down (in the tailbone area), but am hoping to get rid of that. I landed on icy ground once and ended up hitting my tailbone. The chute dragged me for a while and this may be some arthiritis.
Dave
1. Our bodies are not designed for sitting. When we sit down, muscles called the hip flexors tighten up. These muscles enable us to do “keepie up” with a football bouncing it off a raised knee, walking etc. Once they have tightened beyond a certain point, they tend to tilt the pelvis forward. Have a look at someone with a large gut wearing a belt on their trousers. The belt should be horizontal, but the weight of the gut has tilted the pelvis forward. If you stand up and try to tilt your pelvis forward, the top part of your body will move downwards towards the floor. The brain does not like this. Part of the complex system of balance in the body involves having the eyes remain level and horizontal at all times, whenever possible. This is due to the connection between how level the eyes are and the balance organs in the inner ear.
http://www.getyourserenity.com/blog/ind ... s-are-sore
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/ ... dosis.html
http://www.bigbackpain.com/posture.html
If the top part of the body goes down, so does the head. The brain automatically detects this and tries to bring the head/eyes back level. The only way it can do this is to increase the curvature in the lower back by causing the back muscles to tighten up and keep the spine upright. The ancient greeks knew all about this when they named those muscles “erector spinae” which means “to keep the spine upright”.
2. As a result of the back muscles tightening up, over time, they can become painful from nerves being pressed against and waste products (mostly lactic acid) buildup.
3. Because the lower (lumbar) spine has now increased it’s curvature, greater pressure gets put on the disks in the spine. When too much pressure is applied, the disks lose water and can become brittle. They are then known as degenerated disks which can be very painful. Osteoarthritis can set in.
Another major problem comes from these bloody computers. People sit improperly and their heads move forward. Tight muscles (scalenes and sternocleidomastoid ) pull the head forward. Average human head weighs between 7 and 12 pounds. The weight of a bowling ball. This weight tends to try to topple the body forward. Again, the brain sends a signal to the muscles to tighten up to try and keep the body upright. If you look at yourself in a mirror sideways, the middle of your ear should align with the middle of the shoulder.
http://www.mensgarage.com/wp-content/up ... osture.gif
Tabbing with bergans causes the chest (pectoral muscles) to tighten and pull the head and shoulders forward. This again can lead to back problems. Each month I see SF guys who have come back from overseas with back pain. Every last one of them has forward head and shoulders and a forward tilted pelvis. Once that gets corrected, the back pain either disappears completely or is reduced to tolerable levels.
http://paulsbarra.com/wp-content/upload ... rriage.jpg
Pilates can be an excellent way to start to get rid of back pain. However, a proper assessment of imbalances in needed first. Do I have one hip higher than the other ? Do I have one foot sticking out more than the other ? Is one shoulder lower than the other ? All important stuff. We all know that if the front right side of our car is imbalanced and lower than the other side, that over time that can lead to problems all over the vehicle (vibration etc) . Same with the body.
I have completely eliminated all of my back pain. I now just have some pain when I sit down (in the tailbone area), but am hoping to get rid of that. I landed on icy ground once and ended up hitting my tailbone. The chute dragged me for a while and this may be some arthiritis.
Dave
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Re: back pain
Back pain and pain in the back and thought that usually comes from the muscles, nerves, bones, joints or other structures in the spine. The pain is often divided into pain in the neck and upper back pain, and lower back pain or pain tailbone. Again classified according to cause of pain in the back pain of mechanical or non-specific back pain and secondary schools. Back pain that occurs after a trauma like a car accident or fall refers to the existence of a broken bone or other injury.
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Are you pregnant by any chance
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Chapter 2 of this little book has some good diagrams that show some of the reasons for back pain:
http://www.amazon.com/Egoscue-Method-He ... 0060924306#_
Pete is an ex-USMC infantry officer who was told he would not walk again. He now lives a normal life and teaches all over the world.
http://www.egoscue.com/about/pete.php
The number of service personnel coming back from the wars with back issues on this side of the pond has reached epidemic proportions.Latest stats show 60 - 75% having some form of back issue, and 70% having some form of hearing problem ( from very minor to serious ).
Dave
http://www.amazon.com/Egoscue-Method-He ... 0060924306#_
Pete is an ex-USMC infantry officer who was told he would not walk again. He now lives a normal life and teaches all over the world.
http://www.egoscue.com/about/pete.php
The number of service personnel coming back from the wars with back issues on this side of the pond has reached epidemic proportions.Latest stats show 60 - 75% having some form of back issue, and 70% having some form of hearing problem ( from very minor to serious ).
Dave
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My uncle is a Staff Sgt. and he's always say to me because I'm a trainee in Armed Forces that it is natural to have a back pain when it starts to enter in military. Their are many trainings to make the body being strong.
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webrey227 wrote:My uncle is a Staff Sgt. and he's always say to me because I'm a trainee in Armed Forces that it is natural to have a back pain when it starts to enter in military. Their are many trainings to make the body being strong.
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jackdcosta56
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Re: back pain
Usually the pain mainly occurs in the lower back. The lower back where your spine ends holds both the upper and the lower body organs , hence it is one of the most stressed part of the body and in case you have a problem in the back or your back pains a lot then it is advisable that you go for a very natural form of treatment as the pain killers can cause a lot of side effects due to the anesthetic effect that they can have on your bodies.
